(data as of Academy/Graduation, Chapter Seven)
(data as of Sound Four Arc, Chapter Fifty Seven)
(data as of Shippuden)
I’m not sure, actually. Hm…
The idea with the Kyuubi was that as Home World began turning Earth into a colony, it was a group of Obsidians who woke it up in the heart of a volcano and led to its angry rampage causing Home World to retreat…
I was keeping Strong In The Real Way fairly close to Konoha–both the human town that Naruto and Kakashi live in and Home World are full of Konoha characters–so I hadn’t thought about the other villages.
…Actually, now that I think of it, I don’t think my timelines work out very well?
Naruto is only a teenager but Shikako has been with the Nara clan for generations?
Oh, unless the Obsidians were sacrificed to contain the Kyuubi for several centuries or so, and there were a lot of gems left behind in the scramble to get off planet. Then when the seal broke on the Kyuubi, Kushina and Minato were the one to deal with it.
Mikoto and Kushina were probably friends and Mikoto asked her to keep Sasuke safe (which is why he was bubbled in the house).
The administration of gem kindergartens left with the evacuation so Shikako’s belated “hatching” went unnoticed and she just hung out with the Nara clan?
Hm…
So yeah, I think there are a lot more half gems than just Naruto. Or, actually, maybe Naruto is the only half gem but the other jinchuuriki are part gems? Their gem ancestry are several generations back, while Naruto’s is more directly his mom?
Like with the theory going on that Connie might have gem ancestry since, not only was she able to fuse with Steve, but she brought up the idea that maybe there have been other half human half gems in the past.
I guess it depends on what Sasuke and Shikako, as the two full gems, know or don’t know about fusion. And whether or not they know Home World’s opinion of it (which I’m not even sure what that opinion is in this AU, anyway)
I feel like Sasuke and Shikako both know about fusion in theory but have never fused before–Shikako because, as far as she knew, she was the only gem left on the planet; Sasuke because he was the youngest obsidian (and obsidians generally didn’t need to fuse anyway). But I also feel like the first time any of them fuse it’s Sasuke and Naruto and on accident and more about the fact that Naruto is half gem half human.
Shikako is far more interested in the technicals of fusion involving a half gem half human and what that means for the two species. Kakashi is frankly weirded out that fusion is even a thing. Naruto is excited because he has been having trouble with his gem powers (wasn’t even sure he had gem powers).
And Sasuke meets the Kyuubi.
Internally, of course. Externally, Carnelian is more mystified at existing than anything else.
(data as of Academy/Graduation, Chapter Seven)
(data as of Sound Four Arc, Chapter Fifty Seven)
(data as of Shippuden)
(data as of Academy/Graduation, Chapter Seven)
(data as of Sound Four Arc, Chapter Fifty Seven)
(data as of Shippuden)
A/N: I am still doing the a softer ask box event, but the current prompt I’m on is trickier than the previous ones and also I’ve been having trouble sleeping which means I do silly things like make charts for fanfiction characters. I may do this for the other teams, but for now here’s Team Seven (plus Sakura for comparison).
Statistics are based on the First, Second, and Third Databooks except instead of “Handseals” I’ve made a “Special” which is literally anything beyond what an average non-clan shinobi might have; such as the shinobi that don’t end up on jounin led teams. Unless it’s something overt or physical (such as the Byakugan or ninken/kikaichu) then even clan kids will have 1 for Special at the time of First because they haven’t mastered their clan jutsu or awakened their dormant abilities.
It’s also my understanding that for all of the stats 1 is the baseline (except, for some reason, Sakura’s first Strength which is 0.5, but it makes more sense when you consider that Lee has 0.5 Ninjutsu and 0.5 Genjutsu. This has extremely worrying implications for early Sakura–was she purposefully staying undernourished or something to look nicer? Minimizing muscle tone because it wasn’t feminine enough?)
First reflects them right when they graduate, Second is roughly during the Sasuke Retrieval Arc, and Third is Shippuden. I did tweak some of the canon stats in the Second and Third to reflect the changes Shikako has made to the DoS characters (for example, Naruto’s Intelligence is slightly higher and Sakura begins training with Tsunade much earlier, etc. etc.).
For obvious reason, there’s no Shikako stats, but I’ve kept within the range of her teammates’ when all their points are totaled and, maybe as a larger guideline, she’s never stronger than Kakashi in anything–she matches him eventually in certain categories but never outrightly surpasses him which feels right?
(Naruto’s Special is 1 because nobody wants to consider his jinchuuriki status whatsoever. Shikako’s is 1.5 due to her burgeoning talent/interest in fuinjutsu, Sasuke’s is 1.5 more because of his potential Sharingan which he hasn’t activated yet as of graduation.)
And then individual stat charts so you can see how they’ve grown 😀
The nice things about these radar style charts is that you can easily point out what a person’s weakness is? The more convex a person’s chart, the more balanced they are. So for example, Kakashi is pretty strong, but he could do with more Stamina. Shikako as well (and Strength, too). Naruto very much so needs to improve in Genjutsu, whereas Sasuke is fairly well rounded. You can tell quite easily, comparing Sakura’s First vs Second vs Third stats, how much she improves all around and the shape of her chart becomes more and more convex and balanced.
I have the stats for the other teams, if anyone’s interested I might make posts of them later, though it’s VERY clear that Team Seven is so over powered. I mean, obviously. They’re the powerhouses and legends in the making, of course, but it’s so drastic a difference it seems frankly unrealistic? Maybe I’ll come back later and scale it down to match better?
edit: … yeah, I think I might have boosted Shikako’s stats unrealistically to match the boys. I do think she should still be in a small range with them, but might have focused too much on the sum total and not on what’s necessarily in character to focus on? Namely, I might have upped her Strength too much in Third… let me just tweak that. (Shikako’s Third Strength, changed from 3 to 2.5 Third TOTAL changed from 32 to 31.5). I mean, unless she gets something like the chakra burst punch? Or some other strength enhancing/strength maintaining technique (such as the anti-muscle-atrophy jutsu)? But Tsunade has already told Sakura not to share the chakra burst punch at the very least, and I feel like Shikako canonically would rather work on developing more techniques for a wider variety than grinding Strength.
(p2) Also, was not a single Uchiha on the mission roster/on a mission, at the time? Or outside of the district for whatever reason? Kids sneaking out to play, teens going to visit a sweet-heart, shinobi out for some late-night training? REALLY? And the Uchiha was NOT A SMALL FAMILY. They were spared the losses of Kurama’s attack due to Danzo. People slip through cracks with those kinds of numbers. Sorry for the rant, but this has been bugging me lately.
(p3 an apologies for further comment) Also, was not a single medic able to do SOMETHING? We have blood replenishers, soldier pills, organ transplants, and so much more. Did not a single medic TRY to save the wounded they found? And someone HAD to have noticed the smell of GALONS OF BLOOD and/or have heard Sasuke SCREAMING, so medics would be called. The premise of the IN-VILLAGE massacre is believable with several individuals. Not with a major clan of 100-200+ members like I think they had.
Welcome to reason 27543782 for why that segment of the manga doesn’t make a lot of sense to me. I wonder about these things. Canon tends to handwave things
like logicwhich exasperates me, but on the other hand, this train wreck of weird writing decisions is partly why we linger on it so much as a hobby.So let’s have fun going over a few of the points you brought up.
I mean I get that Tobi and Itachi were prodigious near Kage-level shinobi but MISS ME with the idea that nobody not one even fought back
An Uchiha attacked in her own district wouldn’t fight for her life. She’d launch a fireball into the sky or set a house on fire, wake the clan, alert the village.
In a family district like that one scream would wake several others– a scream in a real life residential neighborhood has me looking out the window for any obvious crime or injuries going on; in a compound literally only composed of my blood relatives? Fuck you, I’d be out the Goddamn door so fast you’d think I’d teleported. In the political environment after the HYUUGA AFFAIR? At a time when you think most people don’t like the Uchiha?
So miss me with not one mother clutching a child and making it to the administration building. Can you even stop someone mid shunshin? Once they get that teleport jutsu off its like bye Cuz
Someone from Kumo literally snatched Hinata off the street and Hizashi had to be traded away to prevent world war 4. Go fuck yourself the Uchiha didn’t have protocols in place for their children dying in the night. And yeah maybe Itachi the traitor knew about those but ugh. Ugh.
So unrealistic you know?
Anyway Uchiha slipped through the cracks, bastards cropped up, people were on missions, and there’s still at least a dozen active Shinobi on the roster. And the kids who made it? Join the fuck up. It’s like the explosion of Vulcan federation members after the death of the planet. We were decimated but instead of joining the conservation effort we are going to fight and rebel and win against those who would see us gone tbh
Fucking fight me
Um… I don’t mean this in a hostile fighting way, but I wonder if there’s a way to resolve Sasuke as “the last Uchiha” and the impossibility of Itachi (and Obito) literally massacring the entire clan if you go into a matter of semantics?
As previously said, there has to have been some people who slipped through the cracks, but none who would own up to it (or know to do so, if you want to consider the possibility that Danzo did steal all of the non-Sasuke children). For some reason, their prodigy has seemingly just cracked and murdered, if not everyone, then a large majority of people named Uchiha. If I’d survived that, I’d sure as hell no longer go by that name, either. So there’s no more Uchiha clan as an organized entity. There are probably other Uchiha blooded, but none who would want to lay claim to the name (and baggage) that comes with it.
Also, while the Uchiha clan didn’t have the same set up of Main Family vs Branch Family as the Hyuuga did, it’s very likely that they had an internal hierarchy of some sort. Itachi as clan heir and then, arguably, clan head after he killed his own father and the various elders, has an authority over the fate of the clan. Those who did survive probably, understandably, took his actions as officially ending the clan. Sasuke, being a child, wouldn’t have known who the majority of his clan members were (I have an extended family of several dozen, and I only know at most thirty) and even if he did legally become clan head as of becoming a genin/adult, he wouldn’t know what resources (and possible “excommunicated” members”) were available to him.
However, I do think there weren’t that many survivors. Of the approximately 200-300 members I think at most two dozen would have survived (minus, again, the children that Danzo likely could have swooped in and absconded with). Because consider that most (if not all) of the Konoha Military Police Force was Uchiha–it contributes to the isolationism and the hoarding of power Danzo goaded/framed them with–which means that when an in-village disturbance occurs, it’s the KMP that respond (not the ANBU).
Konoha is a huge village, so if we compare it to a modern city, then it’s not terribly surprising that none of the other clans didn’t respond. Not only is it an Uchiha matter, isolated to the Uchiha sector which is physically secluded from the rest of the village, but it’s assumed that the police will take care of it? And, well, the KMP responding to the noise would help Itachi/Obito/Danzo with the massacre.
Of course there are some Uchiha in the general shinobi forces, but I wouldn’t think more than a few dozen, and if this really was something that was premeditated, then Itachi/Obito/Danzo would have waited until most of them were in the village.
(It’s also very possible that, since the Uchiha elders were actually planning a coup, they were the ones who recalled all of the Uchiha members to have a meeting of sorts–possibly under the cover of some kind of holiday maybe? The Mangekyo forms are named after Japanese deities after all–and so Itachi/Obito/Danzo would know to strike during that time)
The clan was ready for a kidnapping, or even Konoha ANBU attacking them. They weren’t prepared for their own clan heir to go berserk.
Although that now makes me wonder how exactly Itachi went about it. Obviously he exaggerated how effective he was (to hide Obito’s existence) to Sasuke during the first Tsukuyomi, but perhaps it wasn’t as gory as it seemed. Maybe Itachi, polite and quiet and known by everyone in the clan, went to each house and did it silently. As in, he knocked on the door and greeted them, made as if he had a message from the elders regarding the coup. And of course they would let the clan heir come in, would prepare tea and snacks for him, wouldn’t think twice about turning their back to one of their own.
And if Itachi really was as skilled as he’s meant to be, genjutsu-wise or assassination-wise, then he could do this quietly. Yes, all it takes is one person to raise an alarm, but if you break it down into households, then it’s three to six trusting, unprepared people against the clan prodigy who has planned everything out. The next house over won’t hear anything, won’t find it odd when Itachi shows up at their house in a few minutes, they’re expecting a secret message from the clan head/elders regarding the coup, they’d probably even set up privacy seals to further make everything quiet.
… so I guess what I’m saying is, a little of both? It’s unrealistic to think that Sasuke is literally the only survivor, but Itachi and Obito taking out hundreds of people just the two of them is fairly feasible.
Also, given in canon Sasuke went even more insane and defected from Konoha a few months after becoming a genin/official adult/legal clan head, it’s not surprising that any survivors just continued to stay quiet.
Hm… see the the thing is, anon, I don’t think Gelel is actually music so much as it’s just Shikako’s way of interpreting it. I’ve previously ranted about Shikako’s chakra sensor abilities here, and how, because of her “hypersensitivity” diagnosis she’s able to sense and differently interpret a larger spectrum of chakra/energy.
Unfortunately, I did also liken Shikako’s chakra sense more with touch and “normal” sensing abilities with hearing, which is incompatible with the why she interacts with the Gelel energy, but I think it sort of applies. Like. Literally no one else in the group could perceive Gelel–and I know, in comparison, that Shikamaru isn’t a sensor and Naruto (and probably Gaara as a fellow jinchuuriki) has issues with chakra perception mostly because he himself is such a large source of chakra it’d be like trying to listen for another car’s music when you yourself are an ambulance blasting sirens–but what about Temari and Kankurou? I’d actually think that Kankurou has some sensing abilities (maybe not on par with a Yamanaka) but close enough. And yet, nothing.
So Gelel’s energy is probably closer to natural energy on the spectrum that is… energy. Like. Chakra is a combination of physical and spiritual energies, then there’s natural energy, then there’s life force/souls/etc. So all chakra sensors (and even most non-sensors) can sense chakra. They can also sense physical energy (which is what a lot of Lee and Gai’s techniques are based on) and spiritual energy (which probably contributes to things like killing intent and such). Most chakra sensors cannot sense natural energy. It’s “outside of their frequency” so to speak, though people can become sages and be trained in sensing and using natural energy.
Life force is something else, not even Shikako can sense it (as we’ve seen in the Land of Hot Springs arc). She knows something is missing and something is being drained from her but she can’t feel it, where it comes from, where it’s going. All she knows is that it’s been taken and it’s going to take a long time before it’s fully restored.
Probably Gelel is somewhere between natural energy and life force. So Shikako can’t feel it the way she can with regular chakra or even natural energy (she can feel it in the air, drowning her lungs, pressing down on her skin like humidity, etc. etc.) but she can still perceive it to some extent. And I probably shouldn’t keep extending the analogy of Shikako’s sensing ability = touch vs. normal sensing ability = hearing, because that’s only to liken chakra sensing (which is obviously not something we have in this world) to senses that we can relate to, but Gelel is, again, something outside of normal sensors’ range of frequency. But still something that Shikako can perceive/interpret.
You know how there’s certain notes where humans can’t actively hear it, but they still subconsciously notice it or get affected by it? Like the fear frequency or cats purring, etc. etc. Gelel is probably like that. Or, well… maybe its more like. It’d be as if she’s “feeling” the vibrations in the air, but not actually touching it. It’s… agh, this is hard. Pattern recognition for a sense that doesn’t actually exist for a person who is atypical in that sense anyway?
That being said, while it wasn’t as important as the song of Gelel, in the Land of Hot Springs arc Jashin’s presence had a very distorted “sound” in comparison. SQ’s writing style for that chapter hAD a lOT oF thIS gOiNG on and the way Jashin communicated with Shikako directly was very much so “whispered / echoed / transmitted”. Even at the Fire Temple, I imagine the energy there was sort of humming or chanting–the monks harmonizing with the Temple.
Maybe that’s just how she interprets gods? If most people/things are a feeling to her, then maybe gods are a sound?
Sorry, I know this isn’t really about magical singing/songs, but this is just how I interpret the song of Gelel…
A/N: Because posting time/ability is scarce for these few days, but I didn’t want to have a third missed post in a row, so please enjoy whatever this is…
Okay, so, given how much speculation there is about Shikako’s godhood and the repercussions of having fended off the Jashinist ritual my brain’s been percolating this idea and it’s like… I suppose it’s somewhat me trying to salvage the Hail To The Queen, “she who has divine right” without actually going that route.
So the basic premise is that in the pantheon of Naruto gods (of which we canonically have “met” three–the Shinigami, Gelel, and Jashin–with the implication that there are many more possibly including the Fire Temple? and other places and spirits and people that have ascended into godhood) Shikako is not only the youngest, but also the one with the fastest ascension and it’s a matter of contention amongst the gods. About whether or not she should be struck down while she’s still mortal or if they should sort of begin training her because at the rate she’s going she’ll be too powerful for most other gods to control or something, and it’s basically divine politics regarding Shikako’s future which she has no idea about because, you know, she’s still in the mortal world.
Like, I have this idea that the two sides of the argument are Gelel–who Shikako had freed from millennia of imprisonment–and Jashin–who Shikako had fended off from entering the material plane and drowning the world in pain and hatred–meanwhile the Shinigami has some mysterious stake in her ascension but nobody really knows what (was her being reincarnated into this world an accident or a plan implemented? is her ability to survive multiple near death experiences an irritation or a sign?), and whenever (or if ever) other gods come into play then they’d have cameos and such, but the main thing I want with this idea is…
… it’s all from Aoba’s POV.
Because, okay, so Aoba is the first person that Shikako was close to that died on her watch and he was at ground zero when she fended off Jashin (and some might even construe that his death instigated her defiance against the Jashin ritual) and pretty much I have the strange notion that when Shikako does ascend into godhood fully that Aoba will be her first… not disciple or servant but like… the first member of her celestial retinue? Basically, one of her archangels. (Kisuke Maboroshi might be her second one once Aoba figures out that, hey, there’s a ghost acting as an active shinobi who can go between the spiritual world and the material world and act as messenger between him and Shikako maybe? And also, Shikako did save him from an eternity of the purgatory that is being sealed to a rock so…)
So Aoba’s afterlife is as vanguard for Shikako’s impending godhood, trying to figure out which gods are on her side, which ones aren’t, which ones are neutral and can be swayed, and what the hell the Shinigami wants with her. So pretty much “cryptography” on a divine level… Aoba as her celestial ambassador/champion?
I mean, obviously, there would be parts that focus on him coming to terms with being dead. And then with realizing that Shikako is a god to be–and that he’s her representative. And occasional popping into check on her life and just worrying about this overstressed teenager who has no idea what kind of bureaucracy she’s going to have to deal with in the afterlife.
I don’t know. Aoba feels and godhood feels melding together, I guess.
I forget which fic I pulled this headcanon from, or if it just kind of bubbled up as collective fanon thing, but I always imagined that Naruto was sending stuff back to Konoha either via toads or regular slow civilian mail. But, like, months off Small things–like a postcard or something from one country when they’re already two countries over, or sent along with a merchant caravan that will end up in Konoha eventually.
Naruto didn’t grow up with a lot of bonds, remember, so he wouldn’t really know the culture of gift giving and letter writing so much. A lot of his friendships are in the moment, in person–not that he no longer considers them friends when they’re long distance, but it’s not something I imagine him being so conscious of as to send gifts?
I mean, then again, this is all minutiae that Kishi never bothered with, but who is in Konoha that he’d want to send stuff back to in canon? Sakura and maybe Iruka and Tsunade? Possibly Kakashi, though what besides snippets of Jiraiya’s books would he want?
Contrast, of course, with DoS where Shikako did actively cultivate stronger bonds amongst her friends. Deliberately made post-mission team dinners a tradition, and fostered a sense of shared stuff amongst her team.
And I do think Tsunade and Jiraiya keep each other appraised of the respective situations to some extent–now, whether Jiraiya feels like sharing that is up to him.
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