Thanks! I’m flattered you think so, and I’m glad you and your friend enjoy my writing.
This does sound like a very appealing prompt and I immediately know what I would like to do with it, so hopefully I will get to it very soon. Thanks for the prompt 🙂
edit: filled here, and may turn into a series titled “Don’t Hold Back”
I don’t sh– hm… well… I mean, I guess if it’s–but they– hm…
HMMMM…
Okay, so I am a multi-shipper at heart and, unrelated, I am always fascinated in trying to mesh two different fandoms into a cohesive crossover/fusion. So it’s not entirely out of my interests to ponder how two people would function in a romantic relationship.
That being said, I’m also extremely wary of ships that have inherent problems–such as a teacher-student pair becoming lovers (long story short, I once played with fire and sort of shipped a thing which I knew going in was problematic, but didn’t realize until after I clawed my way out of the fandom just how problematic it was)
It’s not the age difference that bothers me (because, if I’m going to continue being candid, I’ve shipped things with bigger age gaps) but rather the power imbalance that a teacher-student relationship represents. Even if Shikako is no longer Kakashi’s student, being promoted to tokubetsu jounin, that’s still the basis which their relationship is built on–he’s teaching her kenjutsu and helping with her sensing, etc.
Like, not that I do ship it, but I’m less squicked with the idea of ShikakoxAoba than I am with ShikakoxKakashi, even though they’re the same age. Because Aoba, while taking a mentor-like role, is more of a “senpai” than a “sensei.” Yes, he helps her out and yes, he’s teaching her the way of an Intel ninja, and yes, she does follow his lead. But she could and has refused his orders (arguably, if you consider him asking about her missions as orders) and it’s a very finite mentorship–it’s more like on the job-training than an open-ended teaching of life skills like Kakashi. (Oh no, have I convinced myself to ship ShikakoxAoba?)
THAT BEING SAID, while I am reluctant to ship ShikakoxKakashi as they are in DoS canon, I am wondering at the possibility of shipping them in a AU/alternate dimension/time-travelling sort of situation.
Now that I ponder it in a non-DoS-canon context, I can immediately think of two ways to do it:
1) older!Shikako x canon!Kakashi (via diagonal dimension travel)
Shikako falls diagonally into a different Naruto dimension, possibly canon so she doesn’t exist, and preferably aged up enough to about… Anko/Shizune’s age, maybe? (A little like @ladyhallen’s DoS Switch) She doesn’t land in or anywhere near Konoha, but she does end up thankfully close to where Jiraiya currently is; a Jiraiya who is a month away from heading to Konoha because the Chuunin exams are going to be held there.
With some persistence and hella ridiculous amounts of fuinjutsu discussion, Jiraiya believes her and agrees to take her on as a sort of apprentice in order to stop all of the horrible shit that will otherwise go down without her there. So they get there, a little earlier than Jiraiya would have done by himself, and so Kakashi meets Jiraiya’s newest student–the woman who dared to take the place of his idolized sensei.
At first, they do not get along. Kakashi because he can be an immature jerk and Shikako because she has literally never been on the wrong side of Kakashi’s ire. But it does differentiate canon!Kakashi enough from her sensei DoS!Kakashi, that I don’t feel weird about shipping them (even though, at first, Shikako probably is greatly bewildered by these sorts of feelings for someone who is literally a carbon copy of her sensei). Obviously, Shikako shows how much of a total badass she is and saves a good chunk of Konoha lives in general, but his students’ lives in particular that Kakashi just kind of drops all of his hostility towards her.
And thus begins the weirdest courtship between two mostly apathetic people in existence.
2) Shikako x younger!Kakashi (via linear time travel)
Insert fuinjutsu experiment gone horribly awry, Shikako ends up back in time. Specifically, during the Third Shinobi World War. Even more specifically, when certain teenaged Konoha ninja are being attacked by adult Iwa ninja. Acting mostly on instinct, she saves them and only later realizes that she has greatly shifted the timeline by preventing a) Rin’s kidnapping, b) Kakashi’s eye injury, c) Obito’s almost-death… so on and so forth, Madara no longer has a convenient Uchiha body to do his bidding, and so no attack during the Naruto’s birth, no Kyuubi rampage, no Uchiha almost-coup and subsequent massacre, etc, etc.
But before that, all she knows is that she’s landed in the middle of a war and the only person she trusts is an asshole teenager who has no idea who she is.
Given her obvious Nara looks, and some more persistence+fuinjutsu discussion, and the fact that she saved his students’ lives Minato totally (re)instates her as a Konoha ninja, in particular as a fifth member of their team. Anyway, it’s actually more like the fourth member of the Kakashi+Obito+Rin team since, being the Yellow Flash and all, Minato is called away to missions completely out of his students’ league and most solid teams have four members.
Cue a bewildered and stranded-out-of-time Shikako interacting with Team Minato and there are definitely opportunities for shipping there.
(Although, I’d be a little concerned that it overlaps too much with @langwrites’ Catch Your Breath. Not that Shikako and Keisuke are the same, but rather if you want to read about an SI!OC kicking ass and taking names in the Kakashi Gaiden era, you really should be reading that. It’s great)
edit: i’m weak and began writing this idea in “Gambling Away The Past.” it may turn into a series–i don’t know.
There are probably many more, but those two are the ones that spring to mind right now as ways I would be comfortable in even trying. I know this doesn’t really fill your prompt, but I don’t think I can do a proper one–both the ideas above are pretty big fic as I imagine them, and I don’t quite have the chops to pull either one of them off yet 
However, if anyone else would like to adopt one of the ideas and run with it (or even further discuss what these potential fic would entail) then I would be more than happy to help out with that. I love brainstorming fic and would honestly be happy to see anon’s prompt get filled by someone, even if that person is not me.
Ooh, I love prompts! And I love this one…
I totally know what I want to do with this.
You’re welcome! I’m happy I was able to help and, honestly, this was a pretty fun endeavor. Fanfiction is basically a thought exercise–a sort of if this, then what–which I’m always interested in discussing.
Best of luck with your fic!
2/3 But your idea for a dead Carlos contributing to Cruella’s Crazy was really good to, and now I’m not sure what I want to do with that. But for the tournament itself, I’m not sure if i want to stick with Dragon Hall causing mayhem as the 4th school, or play with the timelines and have Carlos taken while in Auradon instead. My reason for no one finding him was the fairy godmothers barrier. So for DH either the goblet ceremony happens coincidentally as Carlos makes his hole in the barrier…
3/3 and Carlos’ only ‘Friend’ is Evie. Or it’s after the book, before the movie and the Goblet completely shatters the barrier and releases all the Villains to grab it’s Champion. On the otherhand Auradon as the 4th school, the villains aren’t released to complete mayhem and destruction, but King Beast still gets to deal with keeping a foreign countries SAVIOR in horrible conditions on the isle of the lost. and Malificent can stay as the end of the Fic big bad.
I’m all for the more disturbing and heart-wrenching option, so feel free to use the dead Carlos idea if you want.
Hm… I mean, if this Carlos is in fact Harry (and there’s no Carlos to hold Harry’s place) then I would think that Dumbledore and co. have been looking for Harry for years now. In which case, you don’t even really have to stick to the Goblet of Fire timeline–unless that tournament is specifically what you want to do. But, hm, I never really thought the Goblet was all that powerful? Like, sure supposedly it compels Harry to compete but that was only stated not actually proven? But, then again, this is not a post about the plot holes of the HP series and so we could take it as fact.
Anyway, at most, I think the Goblet would only be able to compel Harry/Carlos to compete, not shatter the barrier around the Isle (because how would an age barrier be formed around the goblet if that was one of its powers?). So, again, your timing is what matters most–if you do decide to have it when the gang is already in Auradon then I suppose you can also decide whether or not there is an Auradon Prep delegation and who would be on it. Then you would have a mix of villain kids and hero kids if you want.
As for diplomacy, at this point Ben is King not the Beast so he would have to be the one to deal with the political fallout of having the UK’s Chosen One living on the Isle of the Lost. Then again… I mean, they have Azkaban, so it’s not like they’re unfamiliar with the idea of island prisons. And, in comparison to a dementor-ridden 24/7 torture prison, Harry living in Auradon’s equivalent of a ghetto isn’t so bad? Like, actually, considering no one cared about the abuse he suffered under the Dursleys I don’t think people would care all that much of his poor living standards on the Isle.
As for big bads, well, since this is a crossover fic, you may want to consider having the big bads also crossover. That is, have Voldemort involved. Especially since this is GoF year which is when Voldemort returns, it could very well be that the villains take notice of this. I mean, maybe not necessarily work together–because teamwork, boo, but also it’s not like Maleficent has anything against Harry/Carlos in particular.
ACTUALLY maybe even have the big bads turn against each other. Obviously, Maleficent’s main goals are to get free of the barrier and get revenge on Auradon. Voldemort’s is to kill Harry/Carlos. Depending on how you have them act on their motivations you could put them at cross-purposes or have them cooperate. Or even a little of both.
Sorry I can’t really be of more help. I realize some of it is due to an inefficient messaging system which makes discussing a fic difficult, but my main concern is that there are so many plot points you have to juggle that the story collapses under it’s own weight. Because if you do wait for this to happen when the Lost kids are in Auradon already then you have so many factions with contradicting goals. You have the villains, the villain kids, Auradon, the Light side, and then Voldemort. If you do pre-Auradon, then the villain kids are not as separate from the villains, and so the factions are just Isle of the Lost, Light side, Voldemort. Much easier to handle and easier to keep the plot contained.
You’re welcome! Glad you enjoyed it 🙂
I’m still a bit sick, but at least now I can breathe through my nose, so I count that as a win. Thanks for the well wishes!
It’s an interesting idea for sure. The Harry Potter series (or at least the British magical world presented in it) is insular enough that many other shows/movies/books aren’t necessarily incompatible. There are some points where I’m wondering what exactly you’re implying–because there are multiple ways to interpret this.
Like, for example, is this a switched identity thing–in which both Carlos and Harry exist but for some reason, Cruella switched her baby for the Potters’ baby? Or is this a story in which Carlos does not exist, but Cruella somehow obtains Harry and then names him Carlos because she would have named any child she raised Carlos? Like… is the Carlos we see in Descendants secretly Harry Potter? And only when the Goblet of Fire calls upon his “real name” does he realize it… And so is there then a “Harry Potter” living and learning in Hogwarts that, due to actually being Carlos de Vil, realizes his entire life has been a lie?
I guess what I’m saying is that I’m not entirely sure what kind of Carlos-is-Harry method you want to use for this story so I can’t really brainstorm more on what you’ve given me…
I suppose I wonder how Cruella got Harry (either instead of, or in exchange for her own son). Like, is she blood related to Lily (and Petunia)? Or did she just see this green-eyed baby and want it for herself–but, why?–or did she have Carlos and try to–OH MY GOD.
Okay. I just thought of something potentially horrific but possibly in character for the Descendants’ version of Cruella de Vil. Like… what if she did have Carlos (canon Carlos, that is) but he died as a baby. For some reason. Either her own neglect or he just wasn’t a very healthy baby. But he dies. And we’ve seen how attached she is to that fake stuffed dog so what if… she just lost her baby. And she sees this abandoned baby just, you know, lying there. And she takes it. Because that means her baby’s not really dead, see, he’s right here.
Um… like I said… I have no idea which route you want to take for that so everything with a grain of salt.
But, okay, after that… I guess then I would have to wonder about the timing of things. Since Goblet of Fire happens in the year right after Harry turns fourteen… wouldn’t this happen before the events of the Descendants movie? In which case, Carlos aka Harry isn’t enrolled in Auradon Prep–he’s a student of Dragon Hall. And if he’s, as in GoF canon, a representative of a fourth school then that means you can bring in other Dragon Hall students to Hogwarts for the tournament. Such as Mal, Evie, Jay, and other of the more magically inclined villain kids.
It would derail the Descendants movie entirely but… it could be interesting to play around with. I mean, as I’ve said before, I haven’t read the book so I don’t know much about non-movie canon for the Descendants world, but if you can make it work that more power to you. And nothing is to stop you from having the events of Descendants (that is, Ben inviting the four Lost kids to Auradon Prep) from still happening after the GoF x Isle of the Lost year.
Some advice: I’d say watch out for spreading yourself too thin, though, and make sure you have a good handle on your character voices. Especially Carlos-Harry. He’s going to be different than either canon!Carlos or canon!Harry, but he has to be similar enough to both that you can still get the feeling of both of them.
And, make sure Cruella’s motivations make sense. In a way, SHE’s the instigator of your fic idea, so even if her reasoning isn’t exactly rational (because emotions aren’t always rational) it should adhere to some kind of internal logic.
It’s definitely an interesting idea, with a lot of intricate plotting to work through, but not entirely undoable. If you have your heart set on it then go for it! 😀
(2/3) In this case Jay choose his eels, Carlos choose a Lucifer’s kitten called Beelzebub and Evie choose a little parrot called Othello, also in Evie’s Birthday party, Maleficent cursed Grimihilde and Evie for not inviting Mal to the party
(3/3) And so Grimihilde and Evie were afraid of the Maleficent, and they didn’t go out of their castle for almost 10 years in which Evie was Castle-Schooled by her mother, but after ten years she dared to went out and go to Dragon Hall the island school
That’s true… a lot of my fic/brainstorms aren’t book compliant, mostly because I haven’t actually read the book and, well, I’m not sure how book compliant the Descendants movie actually is? Or, rather, it’s more like the movie ignores the book and whether or not they match up is a bit of a conundrum. Like, in the movie, Grimhilde and Maleficent (and the other parents) are so friendly with each other but in the book they’re… not.
That being said, the animal sidekicks aren’t all that important to the plot of Predecessors (The Prequel). In fact, since the animal sidekicks aren’t inherited parent to child, that’s even better because now I/the author don’t have to adhere to the Uri-Ursula-eels-Jay link. Which means Uri is totally free to be a mentor to Evie.
But I guess the other plot problem, that is, Evie being isolated/Castle-schooled by her mother for ten years until she went to Dragon Hall, is the one that I/the author would have to accommodate.
From what I can glean off the Disney wiki, it doesn’t specify which birthday party this decade long “banishment” was decreed. But it definitely has to be either her sixth birthday or earlier. If the book is modeling the Dragon Hall school of an American high school (which are typically four years long, starting with freshman year/age 14) then that could give her almost two years worth of mentoring from Uri (if her “banishment” ended at age 14 and the movie starts when she’s age 16).
A lot can happen in two years. (And, since as far as I know, there is no canon Ursula kid, I/the author could make Uri’s backstory similar to that. Like, Ursula is the only one who lives along the shore and Uri teaches himself how to swim in order to get to the main town and hang out with his gang…)
But thanks for looking out! I know a lot of fanfiction is about picking and choosing what parts of canon you want to keep and which parts you want to alter, but I do like to incorporate canon in my fic as much as I can. It’s probably why I’m always a sucker for fusion/crossovers because it’s TWO sets of canon that I have to blend together. (Or more than two if you check out my brainstorm/outline for the “Rise of the Brave Tangled Dragons”/“How To Train Your Brave Tangled Guardians/“The Big Four” crossover)
edit: i guess, instead of Uri only meeting Evie in the last two years pre-Descendants, if the castle in which she lives in is only accessible through creepy forest or by the shore then Uri could meet up with her sooner. Like, if the forest is monitored for some reason, but the ocean is not (because only he and his mother know how to swim?) then Uri could have been mentoring her for a lot longer than two years.
(#^.^#) Aw, thanks anon. I love you, too!
The ending totally snuck up on me. So, uh, hopefully this sudden plot twist is enjoyable for everyone.
I’m always a sucker for fusions. Piecing together two worlds–seeing where the overlaps are, trying to reconcile the differences–it’s the absolute best.
For Once Then Always, the problem for me is that it’s been a while since I’ve read/watched CoN so I don’t completely remember everything. It’s not like Pacific Rim where the premise is very simple (giant monsters vs giant robots), there are actual sentient beings on the other side that have influence over the plot–ie Aslan and the White Witch–so I’m not yet in the headspace to write OTA. Also, like I said in my further brainstorming post, I think I would like for the four Lost kids to be sort of responsible for their parents’ demise in a roundabout way, so that’s another thing I have to figure out before I do OTA.
Anyway, it’s not a completely crazy idea. The Chronicles of Narnia are rather predisposed to crossover/fusions, what with the whole people transported magically to another world. And in a way, the Lost kids are going to another world–from Isle to Auradon–so it’s not too out there to wonder what they would be like in an actual different world.
I am leaning more towards actually writing OTA, though probably not for a while… although, if someone wants to write it instead and would like a beta/sounding-board I am totally okay with that, too.
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