I worry about Shikasuke having a child together. Uchihas usually get a lot of emotional turbulence (Pretty aure that’s canon? Might also be the Curse of Hatred, tho I don’t know about it too well), and I feel like that won’t mix well with the Nara’s thing with souls and shadows and the need to be at peace with yourself (else you’d fall into black/the shadows eat you, i guess).

Oh man, a biological Shikasuke child? Well, actually, even an adopted Shikasuke child I’d be a little worried about.

Mostly because as they are still such children themselves right now (even with Shikako’s reincarnation, she’s a teenager up against monsters and murderers and that’s really… she comes off as a very mature and mostly rational teenager, but still a teenager) and I’m hesitant to extrapolate what kind of adults and thus what kind of parents they’d be.

(I mean, I guess if I were to write something like this it would be Shikasuke child traveling back in time (or, alternatively, Shikako/Team Seven traveling forward in time) so that Shikasuke child meets Shikako when they’re all the same age.

Which would actually be kind of hilarious and… I mean, it’s happened before hasn’t it? Naruto travelled back in time to meet his parents in the anime, right? And he doesn’t even have the penchant for fuinjutsu experimentation or possible Mangekyou Sharingan omnipotence that Shikako and Sasuke do.)

Uh, anyway. I guess the thing is that on a purely biological point, an Uchiha-Nara child would be pretty dangerous. The Sharingan mixed with a spiritual predisposition for shadows? I would not want to be on the wrong end of that kunai. But I guess you can consider the mix of genes in three ways: either the child will have a genetic preference towards either the Uchiha traits or the Nara traits, the child will have both with lesser intensity than their parents, or the child will have a unique combination of the two.

(I mean, can you imagine how horrifying it would be if all the kid needed to do was connect to your shadow and you get sucked into an unbreakable genjutsu? WHYYYYY? Or, alternatively, all you need is eye contact and this kid has control of your body? OMG O_O )

That being said the other “clan traits” of the Uchiha and Nara–being powerful but emotionally unstable vs being intelligent and lazy–would probably end up in a kid that, yes, would be at risk of both clans’ psychological problems.

But you also have to consider that a lot of Sasuke’s emotional problems are because he legitimately has PTSD and basically raised himself at the scene of his family’s murder. Like… it’s surprising he’s as well adjusted as he is in canon before the Orochimaru bite.

This child would (hopefully) have at least one parent around growing up (seeing as how both of them are essentially un-killable) and possibly biological/honorary uncles and aunts, grandparents, and the entire Nara clan (Which might as well be the entire Akimichi-Nara-Yamanaka alliance) so there’s no chance of this kid ending up like Sasuke because that’s a fairly individual set of circumstances that will almost definitely not crop up again.

Will this child possibly end up like their parent because of a different reason (like Boruto basically acting like Naruto, not because he’s an orphaned pariah but because his dad is probs depressed and bad at parenting)? Yes, maybe. But I think this kid, especially seeing as how their mother was integral in making the Rookie Nine/Ten more cohesive than canon, will be the “it takes a village” kind of child than the simultaneously-put-on-a-pedestal-but-considered-a-potential-walking-bomb that was Sasuke’s childhood.

Actually, I guess maybe I should try to extrapolate what Sasuke and Shikako might be as parents… but another reason why that’s so hard for me is that I don’t actually think they want to be parents. Like, sure, Sasuke wants to “revive his clan” but that’s a lot different from “having and raising a child.” Whereas Shikako, during the babysitting missions they had early on, had been good at it but had also not been super keen on it.

That being said. DoS Sasuke wouldn’t be weirdly exiled from Konoha like canon!Sasuke is, so he would be around more for their kid’s childhood than for Sarada’s. Which is not to say that he’d be around all the time (maybe his village lockdown days will ingrain him with a sense of wanderlust, or maybe he really will just settle down okay in Konoha without the driving need to get stronger/revenge always pushing him forward) but definitely more often.

Ditto with Shikako. I mean, I kind of wrote a thing about what I thought a future/epilogue Shikako might be like but that’s literally only one of many possibilities. She, too, may prefer settling down since, presumably, the Akatsuki/Danzo/Madara/Kaguya threat has been taken care of. And we have seen her be especially academic–when not in danger, her tendency seems to be to research and invent–and staying in a peaceful Konoha would help with that.

I don’t know, anon, it’s still a little difficult for me to imagine. I mean… I actually think–if they are both active parents and, more importantly, the two primary guardians–that Sasuke would be the one who is better at the emotional matters than Shikako. Like, if that child gets scared? Shikako would probably reassure them that there’s nothing to be afraid of–which isn’t bad parenting–but Sasuke would be the one to coach that kid through their fear, be like “if there is a monster under the bed, we will do this and this so the monster can’t get you” (and then proceed to teach their child Grand Fireball, probably) which is acknowledged to be a better method of dealing with your child’s fears.

Just… conscientious snake versus rabid badger, you know?

I think this kid will be scary. I think this kid will be smart and emotional and ruthless. I think this kid will probably overstep their limits on multiple occasions, will fall into the black at least once, will hurt people around them when they’re angry. But that’s what a lot of kids are like–probably both in the Naruto world and in the real world.

This kid will have the advantage of having a loving support system. This kid will probably love their friends and family fiercely, will be loyal and the best person to have beside you in a fight and watching your back. This kid will probably invent jutsu that impress, bewilder, and exasperate people because do you know how much paperwork this is going to be? Let’s be honest, this kid will probably end up being the Hachidaime or best friends with the Hachidaime and will make their parents (and uncles and aunts and grandparents) hella proud.

So I don’t think we need to worry too much, anon, I think this child is going to be alright 🙂

edit: Wrote a bit about “Sakako Uchiha” in this ficlet here!

Character Analysis: Descendants, The Lost Kids (2015-11-11)

A/N1: Because I missed Descendants, even if the Wicked World series kind of messes with all my head-canons from the movie… So as far as I’m concerned, the movie is alpha canon while the book(s) and animated shorts are beta canon. Not that canons necessarily correlate with head-canons buuuuut…

Anyway, the lost kids!

With any of my character analyses I am open to alternate interpretations, so please feel free to reblog with your own analysis. 🙂

Carlos
Phlegmatic – Apathetic/Conflicted
IS(F/t)P = Artisan = Composer/crafter
Air
Slytherin-Gryffindor

Evie
Sanguine – Optimist
EN(F/t)J = Idealist/Rational = Teacher/field-marshal
Water
“True” Slytherin

Jay
Choleric – Realist
ESTP = Artisan = Promoter
Earth
Slytherin-Hufflepuff

Mal
Melancholic – Cynic
INT(J/p) = Rational = Mastermind/architect
Fire
Slytherin-Ravenclaw

Reasoning under the cut.

The Four Temperament / Four Philosophy Ensemble

If you’ve read my previous character analyses, you’ll know that I’m relatively new and not very fond of this trope. That being said, it does have some redeemable insights, so I decided to proceed with it anyway. The links above lead to the TVTropes pages but, like Wikipedia, TVTropes is not the authority on these.

Here’s a really quick break down of what the ensembles are and how they correspond to each other:

Sanguine – extroverted, emotional, people-oriented – Optimist
Choleric – extroverted, unemotional, task-oriented – Realist
Melancholic – introverted, emotional, task-oriented – Cynic
Phlegmatic – introverted, unemotional, people-oriented – Apathetic/Conflicted

The two obvious ones for this were Jay and Mal. I consider both of them to be more “task-oriented” than the other two–to them people are either obstacles or means to an end (especially the Auradon students who are then subjected to their respective charm/intimidation). They may know how to manipulate people, but that doesn’t mean they necessarily care about other people’s feelings. Then when you compare the extroverted and unemotional traits of the Choleric temperament with the introverted and emotional traits of the Melancholic temperament, it seems pretty clear to me that Jay is Choleric and Mal is Melancholic. Their corresponding Philosophies match as well, with Jay being the Realist and Mal being, in comparison, the Cynic.

Then for Evie and Carlos, the two “people-oriented” temperaments–Evie is undoubtedly an extrovert; while Carlos isn’t as definitively an introvert as Mal is, I do think he is one, especially what we see of him in the movie. As for emotional versus unemotional, it could be argued that both of them act emotionally during the events of the movie (unsurprising, considering how big a change it is for all of them) but I think, in comparison, Evie’s character arc is more about becoming more in touch with herself and her feelings whereas Carlos’ is making decisions despite his feelings.

I ultimately had to fall back on the Philosophies to choose. Hence, Evie as the Optimist–looking forward to Auradon, even if it was a big change, believing in herself even after Chad’s actions. And Carlos as the Apathetic/Conflicted–both because, basically, once he had Dude he literally cared about nothing else for the rest of the movie, because, as I said before, most of his story arc is making decisions despite his feelings, leaving the Isle despite/because of his conflicted feelings about his mother, reaching out to Dude despite being afraid of dogs, etc. The corresponding temperaments are then Sanguine for Evie and Phlegmatic for Carlos.

Myers-Briggs Type Indicator

Here’s the basics of the MBTI: it’s a set of four binaries which combine to produce one of sixteen distinct personality types. The binaries are:
Extroversion vs Introversion = self/society
Sensing vs iNtuition = learning/information
Thinking vs Feeling = decision-making
Judging vs Perceiving = planning/(re)acting

And so with that in mind, here’s the Lost kids:

Carlos – IS(F/t)P
As I’ve previously stated, I do believe Carlos is an introvert–not as much of one as Mal, but he doesn’t need people. More so in the book, he’s easily satisfied so long as he has stuff to tinker about with–in the movie, his story doesn’t revolve around people, it revolves around his own fears (of dogs, of his mother, of getting hurt) and him overcoming it. Sensors focus on facts and details more than the bigger picture, they inherently trust what they’ve experienced or what can be proven more than what could be (he’s quick to overcome his fear of dogs when presented with proof that Dude isn’t a rabid monster even though his mother told him otherwise). Feeling vs thinking I figure he is in the middle of the spectrum–given his book background of enjoying technical and scientific fields he is a little bit thinking, but the decisions we see him making in the movie are feelings based. For the most part, Carlos isn’t decisive–he goes along with other people’s plans–in addition, he’s adaptable (getting the alarm to shut off during the failed heist) and likes to mix work and play (literally playing video games before helping Mal plan the heist), hence Perceiving.

Evie – EN(F/t)J
Evie is the most extroverted of the group, she enjoys being around people and gets energized in group situations. Unlike Carlos, she is a big picture kind of person, always having the idea of meeting her very own Prince Charming, to the point where she trusted him even though she had no idea what kind of person he was (which, unfortunately for her, ended up being a heartbreaking asshole kind of person). Like Carlos, she is in the middle of the feeling vs thinking spectrum, though for slightly different reasons–for the movie she is mostly a Feeler due to her generosity, even excluding her crush manipulating her, she genuinely wanted to help Mal feel beautiful for her date with Ben. But there’s some pragmatism within that–wanting to impress her crush could lead to her fairytale ending, and when Lonnie wanted a new hairstyle Evie sought payment. As for Judging, well, her whole life has been following the large plan to find and marry a prince. Even without that, she’s constantly working (making absolutely gorgeous dresses and, at some point, a sleeping potion, when she’s not doing Chad’s homework), very decisive, and organized.

Jay – ESTP
Jay was, again, pretty easy to decide on. Despite his father’s “teaching,” Jay is both a team player and fond of groups–whether they be tourney players, princesses he can flirt with, or his friends. He is more on the sensing side, focusing more on what is tangible than not, and due to his task-orientedness almost to the point indifference he is more of a thinker than a feeler. Like Carlos, Jay is more of a reactor than an instigator (he follows, he doesn’t plan) and given his thieving spree early on he likewise believes in play before work.

Mal – INT(J/p)
Similarly, Mal was also pretty easy to decide on. She is an almost textbook case of introversion, and while some of that may be due to her misanthropy, she honestly does not need people or like crowds–she works best one-on-one. Like Evie, she is a big picture kind of person and her method of problem solving isn’t a single track method–in order to get the wand she sees and considers and even sort of implements multiple methods, she knows the wand is the Fairy Godmother’s so she cultivates a “relationship” with Jane, when that doesn’t yield anything, she plans the museum heist, when that fails, she seizes on the opportunity that the coronation presents–hence intuition (N).

The thinking vs feeling was a little tricky, not because I think she’s in the middle of the spectrum like Evie and Carlos, but because a lot of this movie was disguising her “thinking” tendencies for “feeling.” Let me explain–as previously mentioned, she is very task-oriented like Jay; people and their feelings are obstacles/tools, not something to be considered when making decisions–but basically the entire movie is about her emotional journey from following her mother’s orders to being her own person. Her decisions are in line to maximize benefit to herself–yes, even her “cure brownies” because she didn’t make them for Ben’s benefit but rather to alleviate her own guilt. Even her speech about the Lost kids staying in Auradon, it was a very logical breakdown of happiness–this makes you happy so you should stay here, this makes you unhappy so you shouldn’t go back, even though emotions don’t necessarily follow cause and effect like that.

It’s actually the the Judging vs perceiving spectrum which I think she falls in the middle for–ultimately, since she is the major decision maker of the group and her penchant for focusing on her work over play, I did decide on Judging more than perceiving. But she is still a little perceiving since the decision to get the wand was originally her mother’s and even though she was the planner of each of the different attempts to get the wand, they were pretty loose plans created as they went. Get to the museum, okay, now what? Can’t get past the forcefield, now what? Become Ben’s girlfriend before the coronation. 

Keirsey Temperaments

The Keirsey Temperaments are somewhat based on MBTI, in that it splits the types into a set of four temperaments and then gives fancy titles to the types within the temperaments. You can go to the link above to check out the individual titles for the MB types (they’re pretty interesting reads).

The temperaments correspond to the MBTI binaries as such: _S_J = Guardian, _S_P = Artisan, _NF_ = Idealist, _NT_ = Rational. The temperaments are sort of like two binaries as well–focusing on Communication and Action, that is: Concrete vs Abstract communicators and Utilitarian vs Cooperative actors. So Guardians are Concrete Cooperators, Idealists are Abstract Cooperators, Artisans are Concrete Utilitarians, and Rationals are Abstract Utilitarians.

Surprisingly, unlike my previous character analyses, the Lost kids aren’t arranged so that there is one of each type of temperament. Or perhaps that shouldn’t be surprising; given that, for all their differences, they are all villain kids and from the Isle of the Lost, certain temperaments simply aren’t practical on the Isle.

From the above types for the Lost kids, we get Carlos as an Artisan (specifically Composer/crafter), Evie as either an Idealist or a Rational (specifically Teacher or field-marshal), Jay as an Artisan (Promoter), and Mal as a Rational (Mastermind/architect). For the most part, on the Isle, I do think that Carlos, Evie, and Mal are their lowercase designations–on the Isle you have to be careful with your feelings, and given that Mal’s mother basically rules the Isle Mal is subject to Maleficent’s plans, not her own.

Artisans and Rationals are both Utilitarians–both act pragmatically, ignoring/bending rules in order to achieve their goals. While Artisans generally focus on quick, effective payoffs, Rationals want to fulfill their objectives as thoroughly and efficiently as possible. On the Isle, that kind of utilitarian mindset is not only encouraged but also, possibly, literally cultivated by their parents.

Since most of the movie isn’t on Auradon, however, a lot of what we see of Carlos, Evie, and Mal are their uppercase designations. Carlos and Evie both have the freedom to use their emotions whereas Mal has to step up and be de facto leader of the group. It doesn’t really change much for either Carlos or Mal–Carlos is still an Artisan whereas Mal is still a Rational, but Evie jumps from Rational to Idealist. Idealists are Abstract Cooperators–they focus mostly on their hopes and the possibilities for the future, and try to reach their goals without breaking their personal code of ethics–which also matches pretty well with Evie’s Sanguine/Optimist designation.

Avatar Elements

Like Hogwarts Houses, which is the next section, I believe that the Elements from the Avatar series does provide some nifty looks into characters’ personalities as well as having a convenient numerical match up. The above link sends you to a list of bending arts in the Avatar world, but if you follow through to the main articles of the Elements you can find more in-depth descriptions on the spirituality behind the respective elements. 

I actually did some brainstorming regarding a Descendants x Avatar fusion in which only the Lost kids (and Fairy Godmother) are benders. I stand by the elemental designations I gave to each of them there, but I’ll go into more detail here (character-wise, that is). So, I posit that Carlos is Air, Evie is Water, Jay is Earth, and Mal is Fire, and here is why:

Air is the element of freedom, pacifism, open-mindedness, and adaptability. In a symbolic sense, Carlos’ character arc is about him freeing himself from his past, his mother’s abuse, his fears. He’s never the one to instigate conflicts, is more likely to run than fight, and the rare cases when he stands up against his mother (in the video call) and Maleficent (at the coronation) it’s in defense of his friends not himself. He was willing to give Dude a chance, despite his phobia of dogs, and in a larger sense he was open to going to Auradon even though that’s where dogs are. As for adaptability, I’ve already mentioned it above so…

Water is the element of change, generosity, balance, and emotions. As previously stated, Evie is–especially amongst the Lost kids–generous and the most in touch emotionally; she knows her emotions and knows how to use emotions. Her story throughout the movie is about her achieving an inner peace, a balance between what she thinks she wants and what she actually needs, between expectations and being true to herself. All of them change in the movie, but with Evie it’s subtle. Visually, you see her outfits changing, yes–becoming softer and blending in more with the Auradon style–but character-wise she gains self-confidence. She goes from someone who sees her talents as a means to get a prince to someone who sees her talents as what makes her inherently amazing; she doesn’t need a prince to be complete, she already is.

Earth is the element of substance, determination, stability, and straightforwardness. Earth is, perhaps unsurprisingly, the least spiritual of the elements and is treated very pragmatically. Similarly, Jay’s character arc isn’t as emotionally wrought as the others’–sure, he does doubt the plan to steal the wand way before anyone else does, but it’s as much logical take on emotions much like Mal’s speech on happiness is–for the most part it’s just him shedding his father’s misanthropic lessons to reveal the literal team player that he really is underneath. But, he never really accepted that to begin with. When his friends are being threatened, he steps forward to protect them–even when it’s by Maleficent’s dragon form–he is, almost literally, the rock the others rely on.

Fire is the element of power (though it may be better to say that it is the element of energy), industry, creativity, and drive. As previously stated, Mal is hard working and artistic. Like in the Avatar series, Mal’s drive is at first twisted for her mother’s nefarious gains, whereas Zuko at first only knows how to power his bending through anger and hate. But, ultimately, both Zuko and Mal discover good and wrest control of their life away from their toxic parents and societal expectations. In AtLA, the Fire Nation only sees their bending as a way to destroy and consume, but as the Sun Warriors and dragons explain, that is only when they are out of control. When in control, fire isn’t destruction it’s creation which parallels Mal’s story line.

Hogwarts Houses (surely, no link is necessary… :P)

I greatly enjoyed @kisapandemonium‘s lovely GIF edit and, frankly, agree. The tag “#finally a group of slytherins we can all get behind” basically sums up what I loved so much about the Descendants movies. Because all of the Lost kids are Slytherins (and not because of the “Slytherin=evil” bullshit)–cunning, ambitious, pragmatic–and I’m so fond of that fact.

However, I also enjoy the idea (I don’t know where the original post is, sorry, but it’s not mine) that each of the Golden Trio represent another House–with Harry being Slytherin, Hermione being Ravenclaw, and Ron being Hufflepuff. I also enjoy the implication that follows, in that Neville is a “True” Gryffindor (I also don’t remember the original post, but I believe it was something like… Neville was a Hat stall only because he kept arguing against being a Gryffindor and the Hat was pretty damn sure he was a Gryffindor. Because the fact that Neville argued against the Hat). And so I kind of want to mix those two together.

While I do believe that all of the Lost kids are Slytherins–if we were to have “secondary House alignments” then Carlos would be Gryffindor, Jay would be Hufflepuff, and Mal would be Ravenclaw, while Evie is the “True” Slytherin. Carlos’ story arc is about facing his fears–dogs, physical confrontations (on the tourney field), his mother, Maleficent–hence, Gryffindor. Throughout the movie, Jay shows such utter loyalty to his friends that he even willingly throws himself in front of a dragon to protect them. As for the “Slyther-claw” vs the “True” Slytherin, that was a bit of a toss up. But, ultimately, Mal isn’t all that ambitious, certainly not in comparison to Evie. Mal was content on the Isle, graffitiing her symbol wherever she could put it and committing small acts of evil. Evie, in comparison, has always wanted more out of life–while that no longer includes a prince to marry, now it’s a desire to be more than what other people expect from her.

And that’s all, folks! If you got this far then I hoped you enjoyed 🙂

~

A/N2: It seems kind of cowardly to hide this in the author’s notes of a separate post, but I think Ain’t No Rest is officially going to be on hiatus. It, as I feared, collapsed under its own weight and lack of direction.

That being said, that does free me up to do other non-ANR Descendants fic. And I’m not saying that means I’ll do Once The Always, but I am planning on re-watching the TCoN movies soon so…

Character Analysis: Dreaming of Sunshine, Team Eight (2015-10-29)

A/N1: Check out Team Seven and Team Ten, if you haven’t.

Hinata

the Ego
Phlegmatic – Apathetic/Conflicted
(I/e=A)NFP – Idealist – Healer
Gryffindor
Neutral/lawful Good

Kiba

the Id
Choleric – Realist
ESF(P/j) – Artisan – Performer
Hufflepuff
True/chaotic Neutral

Shino

the Superego
Melancholic – Cynic
ISTJ – Guardian – Inspector
Slytherin / Ravenclaw
Lawful Good/neutral

Kurenai

the Mentor
Sanguine – Optimist
ENT(P/j) – Rational – Inventor
Ravenclaw / Slytherin
Lawful Neutral/good

I’ve decided not to do the Five-Man Band since I hate it and it doesn’t contribute much if anything to the analysis.

Surprisingly, Team Eight was fairly easy to do–the designations weren’t what I expected at the beginning, but they were easy.

Anyway, reasoning under the cut.

The Freudian Trio

Team Eight is an almost perfect representation of the Freudian Trio. My only hold back is that, in the beginning, Hinata (the Ego) doesn’t mediate between Kiba (the Id) and Shino (the Superego) so much as she lets them argue it out and have Kurenai (the Mentor) decide. Thankfully, Hinata’s entire character development is her gaining self-confidence so, if anything, Team Eight is become more like the ideal Freudian Trio as they grow older.

The Four-Temperament Ensemble / The Four-Philosophy Ensemble

Given my continued confusion over the Four-Temperament Ensemble, I ended up relying a bit more on the related Four-Philosophy Ensemble to make my decisions. Additionally, for this go around, I ignored the emotional vs rational binary amongst the Temperament (whereas in the Team Seven character analysis, I ignored the introverted vs extroverted).

Between the introverts–Hinata and Shino–it’s pretty obvious that Hinata is the people-oriented one and Shino the task-oriented one. Making Hinata the Phlegmatic one and Shino the Melancholic one. Likewise, Hinata matches the “Conflicted” philosophy more, whereas Shino matches the “Cynic” philosophy more (I definitely would not consider Hinata a cynic).

Amongst the extroverts–Kiba and Kurenai (I’m not entirely sure she is an extrovert, but we only ever see her in a group setting)–I believe that Kurenai is the people-oriented one. Considering her expertise is genjutsu–illusions of the mind–and her continued devotion to her students’ mental and emotional health. In contrast, I believe Kiba is the more task-oriented one–it’s not readily clear since he is in touch with his emotions (considering he’s the Id of Team Eight, he is emotions), but as far as it goes with his actions, Kiba is the kind of person to pursue a goal regardless of other people’s feelings.

With Kurenai as the Sanguine, and Kiba as the Choleric, that would result in Kurenai being the “Optimist” with Kiba as the “Realist.” Which is a little surprising to me, considering that Kurenai is the jounin sensei and Kiba the less experienced shinobi, but it… kind of makes sense. Kurenai is a recent jounin, a lot of her interaction with her team is hopeful–they’re her first set of students, she wants to see them succeed but more than that she wants to see them happy. In contrast, Kiba is member of the Inuzuka clan–which, from the outset, does not seem all that significant, all of the Rookie Nine are part of shinobi clans–but I perceive the Inuzuka clan, and Kiba’s immediate family in particular, to be very open and candid with their experience. As such, I get the feeling that Kiba is second-hand exposed to a lot of the shinobi world.

Myers-Briggs Types and Keirsey Temperament

(Review: Extroversion vs Introversion, Sensing vs iNtuition, Thinking vs Feeling, Judging vs Perceiving. _NF_=Idealist, _NT_=Rational, _S_P=Artisan, _S_J=Guardian)

As I’ve listed above, these are the types and temperaments that I believe matches each member of Team Eight.

Hinata: (I/e=A)NFP – Idealist – Healer
Hinata is comfortable on her own, but she does enjoy and crave company even if it makes her nervous (hence ambivert leaning towards introversion). Much of Hinata’s character is about belief–that she can do more and be more than her past. She remembers interactions as they affect her relationships, and is willing to take people at their words more than their past actions *cough*NEJI*cough*. Her behavior is definitely based on her emotions rather than logic. And she is more likely to wait and react than instigate activities.

Kiba: ESF(P/j) – Artisan – Performer
Kiba, unsurprisingly, is an extrovert–while he can handle being alone (with Akamaru, that is)–he is more energetic around other people. He relies more heavily on what is tangible than abstract ideas, what he (and others around him) has experienced more than what might happen in the future. Considering he is the Id of the team, its unsurprising he’s more of a Feeler than a Thinker. As for my uncertainty on perceiving vs judging, well… Kiba is reactionary and adaptable, he doesn’t plan but rather stays open for possible opportunities, but he is decisive–once he does decide on a course of action he will pull through with it.

Shino: ISTJ – Guardian – Inspector
Shino’s designations are pretty obvious, even though we know comparatively less of him. Introversion, is a bit of a guess, but he doesn’t seem to actively crave become energized by company. For both sensing and thinking, this is mostly because of the rare occasions where he does have dialogue. He lists out pieces of information and how it leads to the ultimate, logical conclusion. Likewise, this method of rationality leans toward the judging side rather than perceiving.

Kurenai: ENT(P/j) – Rational – Inventor
As mentioned in the previous section, I do think that Kurenai is an extrovert (though we know very little of her as well). Additionally, given that she is a genjutsu expert, I believe that she would rely on her intuition more on her senses because she knows just how easily senses can be fooled.  For all that she is in touch with her emotions, I don’t she is ruled by them necessarily–in some cases, I think she acts in spite of them. As for perceiving/judging, well, like with all of the jounin sensei, she has to be a little of both due to her career–as for why I think she’s leans more heavily toward the perceiving end, well, ultimately her behavior is in response to someone else’s actions or decisions.

Hogwarts Houses

I may be a little bias on this one, just because I’ve always had the headcanon that Hinata is a Gryffindor of the Neville Longbottom variety. With that in mind, Kiba would then be the Hufflepuff of the team–loyalty, determination; he’s not as much of the rabid badger Hufflepuff as Sasuke is, but he’s close. As for Ravenclaw and Slytherin, well, I’m not really sure.

Both Kurenai and Shino are intelligent, but given Kurenai’s intelligence leans more towards the creative and Shino’s the practical I tentatively say that Kurenai is the Ravenclaw and Shino is the Slytherin. Additionally, while it’s more a sign of his ability than ambition, Shino was one of two to make chuunin during the first exams. Then again, considering how difficult it must be for a genjutsu specialist to become a full jounin rather than be stuck as a special jounin, Kurenai must be ambitious as well.

D&D Alignment

As you can probably tell, I was a little unsure about alignments for Team Eight.

Hinata: Neutral/lawful Good. Hinata is clearly good–but her lawful leaning is actually detrimental to her; her character arc is her striving and failing to conform to her father’s idea of a Hyuuga heiress. It’s when she steps away from that standard that she grows into herself.

Kiba: True/chaotic Neutral. Of Team Eight, Kiba is the closest to being chaotic leaning–but while he does enjoy the occasional ruckus, he does adhere to orders so long as they are from someone he acknowledges as superior in hierarchy. As for neutral, pack is what is most important to him–so long as his friends and family are okay, he doesn’t really care about anything else.

Shino: Lawful Good/neutral. Shino is, if anything, more likely to bend the law to his own use or find loopholes which allow him to act. Luckily, he is good at heart–if in a cold utilitarian way, optimizing the most benefit for the most people; though he does make exceptions for his friends of course, hence the neutral leaning.

Kurenai: Lawful Neutral/good. Given the creativity needed for genjutsu, Kurenai doesn’t step out of line at all if ever; maybe it’s because she’s a recent jounin and doesn’t want to misstep. As for Neutral/good, I think her concern is centered around her team/Asuma/her friends–she doesn’t seem to extend that care to others. Then again, her actions aren’t inherently selfish so…

Character Analysis: Dreaming of Sunshine, Team Ten (2015-10-26)

A/N1: Because I am a glutton for punishment. This one was much harder than Team Seven’s (partially because there’s less material to work with, but also because… well… I’ll explain below).

If you’re reading this, I presume you’ve already read the Team Seven edition. If not, I highly suggest reading that one first because I explain most of the various team/group tropes/tests there. I will still be providing links to the related articles/websites, though, so don’t worry.

For consistency, I’ve included the TVTropes’ character analysis devices even though I’m not at all keen on them and they don’t make much sense to me. Which probably explains why I’m so conflicted about the allocations, but I tried my best and I hope it makes sense.

Chouji

the Ego / the Id
Sanguine (/ Phlegmatic)
The (Big) Chick
(E/i=A)SFP – Artisan
Hufflepuff
Neutral Good

Ino

the Id / the Superego
Phlegmatic (/ Sanguine)
The Lancer
ENFJ – Idealist
Slytherin
Lawful Neutral/good

Shikamaru

the Superego / the Ego
Melancholic
The Smart Hero
ISTJ – Guardian
Ravenclaw
True Neutral

Asuma

the Mentor
Choleric
The Big Guy
ENT(J/p) – Rational
Gryffindor
Lawful Good/neutral

Super conflicted reasoning under the cut

The Freudian Trio

From the outset, who fills which role of the Freudian Trio isn’t all that obvious. It’s not like with Team Seven where there are two obvious polar opposites and a mediator in between. So I tried positing a series of what ifs. That is, what if each member of the team was the ego, who would be the id and who would be the superergo. I got the following:

A) If Chouji is ego then Ino is id, Shikamaru is superego.
– Ino is the one to push him, get him to act. Shikamaru is the one to guide him in the how.
B) If Shikamaru is ego then Chouji is id, Ino is superego.
– Chouji is his personal needs, safety and contentment. Ino is the one to bring up societal expectations.
C) If Ino is ego then Shikamaru is id, Chouji is superego.
– Shikamaru brings out her animalistic emotions, gets her to fight. Chouji is the idealism, represents the why she fights.

This cyclical allocation is rather vague, but I think it’s about right. Which makes this both frustrating and fascinating. Frustrating because everyone is everything, and fascinating for the same reason.

In the strictest sense of the Freudian Trio trope, however, variant C doesn’t make very much sense because I wouldn’t call Shikamaru and Chouji polar opposites or Ino the mediator. A and B fit better with the trope–A as more of an outsider point of view with B as the insider point of view. And, again, with jounin sensei Asuma as the separate Mentor role.

The Four-Temperament Ensemble (and The Four Philosophy Ensemble)

As I’ve said before, I’m not very keen on this group/character device since it just really doesn’t make much sense to me, but I tried. Here’s my rough breakdown of the four temperaments and the Myers-Briggs equivalent:

Phlegmatic (intro – rational – people) –  I_TP – Ino( / Choji)
Sanguine (extro – emotional – people) – E_FP – Choji (/ Ino)
Choleric (extro – rational – task) – E_TJ
Melancholic (intro – emotional – task) – I_FJ

The clear cut ones are Shikamaru and Asuma, with the former being Melancholic and the latter being Choleric. Both of them are task oriented, and between the two it’s obvious that Shikamaru is the introvert while Asuma is the extrovert.

As for rational versus emotional, I’d say both of them are equally prone to using logic and feelings depending on the situation. We see it time and time again with Shikamaru, especially as relates to his sister. With Asuma it’s not as obvious, since we don’t really know much of him through canon or through DoS, but I know that he’s got issues with his father and that manifested in him wanting to strike out for his own (becoming one of the Twelve Guardians, some of the few shinobi who are not legally under the control of the Hokage) so I imagine he’s a bit of a rebel.

As for the people oriented members of Team Ten, well, I actually think it depends on when exactly we’re talking about them. More recently, Ino has been the Phlegmatic one (despite being an extreme extrovert and not at all an introvert) due to her PTSD from Orochimaru’s possession; whereas earlier she was the Sanguine one, bright and engaging. In contrast, Chouji’s early childhood bullying/uncertainty made him the more Phlegmatic one, and now that he’s older and more settled into himself he is the Sanguine one.

To be honest, I had to turn the the Four Philosophy Ensemble to completely make my decisions. The four philosophies and the four temperaments roughly approximate to each other as such:

Melancholic = Cynic
Choleric = Realist
Sanguine = Optimist
Phlegmatic = Apathetic / Conflicted

As previously stated, Shikamaru and Asuma are easy enough–the former as the cynic and the latter as the realist. As for Chouji and Ino, it’s the difference between the temperaments versus the philosophy ensembles that tripped me up–Ino didn’t match the description of Phlegmatic but she was a match for the Conflicted, whereas Chouji wasn’t quite a perfect Sanguine but definitely matched Optimist more than Ino did–I decided that the issue was a matter of time. Or, rather, when in their development the both of them were. Hence the double allocation.

The Five-Man Band

Ugh, this trope sucks, but consistency is consistency so here we go:

Jounin sensei kind of default to The Big Guy role, hence Asuma’s allocation. Although, if I didn’t have to include Asuma, I would assign his students as the following. Shikamaru, the Smart Hero–a mix of the smart guy (for obvious reasons) and the hero, as the leader of Team Ten (he makes the decisions and feels responsibility for his friends whenever they get hurt). Ino, the Lancer–she is the foil to Shikamaru, emotional where he is logical, aggressive where he is passive, etc. Chouji, the (Big) Chick–I hate the naming scheme, but he is the peacemaker of the team and undeniably the physically strongest (barring Asuma, of course).

The Myers-Briggs Type Indicator

Super quick breakdown of Myers-Briggs Types. It’s a set of four binary spectra: Extroversion vs Introversion, Sensing vs iNtuition, Feeling vs Thinking, and Judging vs Perceiving. So let’s go!

Chouji is an ambivert (the in between of extrovert and introvert) in pretty much the exact opposite way that Shikako is. While she oscillates between solitude and large groups, Chouji does better with smaller groups and essentially shrivels in isolation. For all that he is an optimist, he lives in the moment–he trusts what he experiences for himself. In particular, I bring up his response to Naruto’s reveal of himself as the Kyuubi jinchuuriki. While the Nara twins are unphased because they already know/suspected, Chouji does not have that advantage. But he still believes in Naruto because he knows that Naruto is a good person, their shared history proves as such. Feeling is obvious, and Perceiving likewise. (E/i=A)SFP

Ino’s was almost ridiculously straightforward: she’s an obvious extrovert. She’s been repeatedly described and shown to be highly intuitive. She’s an inherently feelings motivated person. She’s decisive and has on multiple occasions shown her proclivity for strategic planning. ENFJ

Shikamaru likewise is very straightforward: he’s the only introvert on Team Ten (poor him!) He’s detail oriented, trusts in what he witnesses for himself more than what others say (cynic, remember?). Very obviously a thinker more than a feeler, and especially a strategic planner at that. ISTJ

Unsurprising, given how little we know of Asuma, my allocations for him are rather spotty. I presume he’s an extrovert given how frequently he hangs out with the other jounin (rather than be dragged out reluctantly like Kakashi) and how well he works in tandem with others. As for intuition, this is mostly a guess–he seems like a big picture kind of person, and is likely to trust people at their word. And, given his rocky relationship with his father, remembers events not with objective details but with their deeper, subjective meaning. I decided on Thinking as he does make decisions rationally, even if the goals themselves are founded in emotions, and the mix of Judging and perceiving is just something I assume every experienced shinobi must have. ENT(J/p)

The Keirsey Temperaments

Given the above Myers-Briggs types, figuring out the Keirsey temperaments is easy enough. Chouji, (E/i=A)SFP, is an Artisan; specifically the Performer (edit: after reviewing, I believe Choji is more like the Composer–ISFP–which makes sense given he is an ambivert). Ino, ENFJ, is an Idealist; specifically the Teacher. Shikamaru, ISTJ, is a Guardian; specifically the Inspector (which he definitely matches more than Sasuke). Asuma, ENT(J/p), is a Rational; specifically the Fieldmarshal. You can check out the descriptions of the temperaments, and their more specific titles, in the second link provided above. I’m fairly confident in these allocations, even for Asuma whom I know very little about.

Hogwarts Houses (is a link even necessary?)

This “test” is surprisingly the least difficult for me to run given that Hogwarts Houses has always seemed to be the almost bewilderingly subjective. Everyone on Team Ten is almost perfectly stereotypical representations of their Houses. Chouji, whose main trait is compassion and loyalty, an obvious Hufflepuff. Ino, ambitious and cunning, a Slytherin (definitely more so than anyone else on the team). Shikamaru–intelligent, creative, daydreamer–Ravenclaw. And Asuma, the Gryffindor (based on his likely rebellious-against-his-father but still-for-the-good-of-Fire-Country history and, of all things, his bluntness).

D&D Alignment

Team Ten, as a whole, is definitely more lawful than Team Seven (aka Team Trouble) though their good to neutral levels are about the same.

Chouji is Neutral Good–given he was a part of the troublemaking groups in canon at the Academy, he clearly doesn’t hold rules to be the end-all be-all of everything–and while he is loyal, he’s also an optimist. Hypothetically, he wouldn’t mindlessly follow after a friend turned evil, but he would try to convince them to come back to the good side or would believe, at heart, that they were good and need only be reminded of that.

Ino, having been raised by her parents with to have a firm belief in Konoha and its administration, is very distinctly lawful. But her ultimate loyalties are towards herself and her friends–her people, which, admittedly is quite a large group–not the ideal of a village. Theoretically, if someone were to take over Konoha and make it evil, she wouldn’t outrightly join the rebellion but she would probably toe the line and feed information to friends in the rebellion. She’s a Lawful Neutral edging into Lawful Good.

Shikamaru is a True Neutral. It’s not as obvious as it is with Sasuke, but Shikamaru is on a moral edge. He, amongst the entire team, would be the most likely to slide into Evil under the right circumstances (*cough*ahurtShikako*cough*). As for the law, well, laws are restrictive and chaos is too much work. Rules he can take or leave, but above all else his friends and family have to be okay.

Asuma, much like Ino, has been raised to respect the law of Konoha and Fire Country. The Good edging into Neutral is, again, a bit of a guess, but given that he continued to work for the greater good of village and country despite his hangups with his father, it seemed like a decent enough choice. Mainly I just don’t know if he’s done anything selfish–sure, he left Konoha, but only because becoming one of the Twelve Guardians allowed him to serve Fire Country without having to be under his father’s direct control.

A/N2: Not as satisfied with this one as the first, but mostly because there’s less info to analyze for these characters. Ugh, I shudder to think what doing Team Gai would be like.

Character Analysis: Dreaming of Sunshine, Team Seven (2015-10-21)

A/N1: Because Chapter 105 reminded me about just how wonderfully ruthless and cunning Shikako really is, and I’m always a sucker for the categorization of things. As for the title–I’m not promising that I will do the other teams/characters, but I’m also not saying that I won’t.

On the TVTropes page, the members of Team Seven have already been labelled into their respective roles within the Freudian Trio / Four-Temperament Ensemble / Five-Man Band (don’t worry about the numbers, it will all make sense later). Which, for the most part, I agree with (my problem has more to do with how the website defines the roles than the allocation of them, but with TVTropes you really do have to read everything with a grain of salt).

However, I wanted to add some of my own analysis and labeling because, well, my brain thinks it’s fun. And maybe some of my fellow DoS fans will get some enjoyment out of reading this.

Here are the members of Team Seven and their respective allocations. The normal font is from the TVTropes site while the bolded and italicized are my own additions/adjustments.

Naruto

the Id (the Superego)
Sanguine
The Hero
E(N/s)FP – Idealist
Gryffindor
Chaotic Good

Sasuke

the Superego (the Id)
Choleric (Melancholic)
The Lancer
IS(T/f)J – Guardian
Hufflepuff
True Neutral

Shikako

the Ego
Melancholic (Choleric)
The Smart Chick
(I/e=A)NTP – Rational
Slytherin
Chaotic Neutral

Kakashi

the Mentor
Phlegmatic
The Big Guy
IST(P/j) – Artisan
Ravenclaw
Neutral Good

Super long reasoning under the cut

The Freudian Trio 

You’ve seen this before. You know what this is even if you don’t quite know the terminology behind it. It’s Kirk, Bones, and Spock. It’s Ron, Harry, and Hermione. Id, Ego, Superego.

According to Freud, an individual human mind is made of three parts. However in the media, we more often see these aspects of the psyche split between three different members of a group, making the team seem more cohesive if they are all parts of a greater whole rather than three distinct beings.

In it’s most known form, Id is the animalistic, emotions and instincts, Superego is the rational, logic and intellect, and Ego is the one stuck in between. Two polar opposites and the mediator.

Even without knowing which is which, it’s easy to describe Team Seven that way (even canon Team Seven at that). Naruto vs Sasuke, with Shikako as the mediator. And from the outset, with the most commonly used definitions and as a Team, I do agree with the TVTropes allocation–Naruto as Id, Shikako as Ego, Sasuke as Superego.

Naruto is more heart than logic, he is action first and reasoning later (if ever). Sasuke holds himself up to a higher standard (whether as an avenger or to Itachi or simply the idea of a strong shinobi). And Shikako is left juggling the two. From an outsider’s point of view it’s obvious, from a reader’s observatory point of view it makes sense.

But I propose that, as a story with Shikako as the protagonist–that is, from Shikako’s point of view–Naruto is the Superego while Sasuke is the Id.

This allocation also uses a slightly different interpretation of the Freudian Trio. Or, rather, emphasizing the motivations behind each part more so than the behavior.

The Id is emotions and instinct, yes, but it is animalistic. It is driven by a personal, self-centered, desire to survive above all. It is “if I am threatened, fight or flight.” It is “if I am weak, I must get stronger.” It is “if I want something, then I’ll take it.” It is “if I am hurt, retaliate.” It is Sasuke. Or rather, Shikako’s relationship with him.

He is a self-proclaimed avenger–he was hurt and now he wants to fix it. Everything about him–his need to grow stronger, his possessiveness over his friends, his fear and hatred of Itachi–it’s an animalistic reaction to the Uchiha Massacre. He wants revenge, he doesn’t want that to happen again; he needs power in order to fulfill both.

It’s these desires that Shikako keeps in mind when she interacts with him. If anything, she has to use logic to pull him away from his more destructive tendencies–the main one being the Curse Seal from Orochimaru: During the Konoha Chuunin Exam, she acknowledges that the Curse Seal is power, yes, but it’s going to prevent him from getting revenge. It’s poison, she says, it’s hurting him more than it will help him. And so he turns away from it. Before the Sasuke Retrieval arc, she knows he’s tempted by the easy route to power, and so she has to remind him that it’s in Konoha where both Itachi and Orochimaru became strong.

Even on her end, when she’s scared–of Itachi, of Danzo–she tells Sasuke. When she wants to get stronger, she trains with Sasuke (Konoha Chuunin Exam–speed training, Grass Chuunin Exam, sword training from Kakashi. Although this is mostly because the two of them simply have more opportunities what with Naruto’s vastly differing training needs. Arguably, though, there is Replacement Tag which Shikako and Sasuke both immediately knew had value whereas Naruto had to be coaxed into training). When she fights, when she is pushed into split-second, ruthless actions, it’s most often because Sasuke is in danger (Wave arc, when she took down Haku, Konoha Chuunin Exams against Orochimaru and the Sound genin, taking Sasuke’s place in the Tsukuyomi, etc. etc.)

In contrast there is her relationship with Naruto. A lot of her one-on-one interaction with him is cerebral–purposefully so, since she has been trying to improve his strategic thinking–but a surprising amount of it is her going to him for guidance. Shikako has, on multiple occasions, based her battle strategy on “What would Naruto do?” and that is when she has time to think before she acts. She looks to him as her moral compass as well–mercy, mainly–and if anything, she’s the one to tell him that pacifism isn’t practical.

Naruto is the idealist of the team, he wants power not for it’s intrinsic value, not as a weapon to hurt those who have hurt him, but to become Hokage; to protect the people and the village he loves, to be able to fulfill his promises. The Superego is logic and intellect, yes, but it idealism more than anything. It’s making decisions based on a higher standard of reasoning. It’s mercy towards your enemies, it’s the idea that you don’t have to fight to win, it’s making a goal and striving for it–not reactions to the past.

Hence, my proposition that–as relates to Shikako, the Ego–Naruto is the Superego while Sasuke is the Id.

Now Kakashi isn’t part of the trio (for obvious numeric reasons) because he kind of can’t be. The Freudian Trio is meant to showcase how a group grows and develops as a metaphor for a single person. But Kakashi is already grown–sure he’s become more in touch emotionally and having such troublemakers for students changes a person, but he’s essentially a separate being. Hence Kakashi being the Mentor which, obvious, since he’s literally their jounin sensei. But as an archetype/plot device, he is the team’s mentor. Where Shikako relates to Naruto through ideals, as a hope for the future, and she relates to Sasuke through needs, as a motivation for the present, her relationship with Kakashi is the past.

More than anything the Mentor is experience, she talks to him about remembering the night of the Kyuubi, she asks about his stories in the field. He’s not her moral compass or her survival instincts, but she goes to him for guidance because he has experience. In a way, she cannot change him because he’s past the point of being changed, and so unlike with Naruto and Sasuke (both of whom she can improve) Shikako isn’t worried about her affect on Kakashi, because he’s separate.

The Four-Temperament Ensemble

I’ll admit that I know the least about the Four-Temperament Ensemble as it is described in TvTropes and in general… mostly because it doesn’t really make sense to me? In a way, it’s a bit like Myers-Briggs, but it shakes down to three binaries rather than four and not every option matches a named Temperament unless one of the binaries is ignored.

Let me explain. The three binaries are: Extroversion vs Introversion, eMotional vs Rational, and People-oriented vs Task-oriented. This results in eight options, but only four are considered part of the Temperament Ensemble, as follows: EMP (Sanguine), IMP, ERT (Choleric), IRT, EMT, IMT (Melancholic), ERP, IRP (Phlegmatic).

Which means that one of the binaries doesn’t matter. I personally interpret the Extroversion vs Introversion to be the one that doesn’t matter (though you could consider it to be the eMotional vs Rational), which means that the Four Temperament Ensemble is really just based on two binaries. And that makes allocating roles to Team Seven very easy.

Naruto is very obviously emotional and people-oriented–hence, Sanguine. Kakashi is unmistakably rational(/unemotional/apathetic) and people-oriented (his role is literally to teach and protect his genin students), and so he is Phlegmatic. As for the two task-oriented members of Team Seven, well, I can interpret both of them as being either Choleric (rational task-oriented) or Melancholic (emotional task-oriented).

If you check the TVTropes page and its extensive list of characteristics related to the Four Temperaments, you can see how some of Choleric’s descriptions describe Sasuke and how some describe Shikako. Likewise with Melancholic. The overlap has to do with how each of them process emotions and rationality.

Sasuke, as I discussed in the above Freudian trio section, is emotionally driven, but he uses logic and his intellect when he acts. In contrast, Shikako is rationally driven–she needs to get stronger and help others get stronger because danger is approaching–but she uses her emotions(/relationships/other people’s emotions) in order to achieve her goals. Overall, I’d say Shikako and Sasuke are about fifty-fifty either way for Melancholic and Choleric.

The Five-Man Band

The Five-Man Band is, simply put, a group of five people who have complementary skills/personalities. Traditionally it consists of The Hero, The Lancer, The Smart Guy, The Big Guy, and The Chick. But that set up is fairly outdated, being rooted in media from the 60s/70s and all, so it’s not something that requires much analysis or investment. Basically, though, just don’t have too much overlap or repetition and you should be okay.

Since this is a team of four, obviously we either have to omit one or mash up two into a single role. Shikako is the latter because she is not just there to be the token girl (though, you might argue that canon Sakura is because Masashi Kishimoto is distressingly sexist). Anyway, that gives us Naruto as the Hero, Sasuke as the Lancer (aka the Anti-Hero), with Shikako being both the Smart Guy and the Chick (hence, Smart Chick), and Kakashi as the Big Guy (more as a role than a personality–in general, Big Guys are characterized to be more brawn than brain, but as a plot device they are the ones who end up fighting separately so the rest of the team can fight elsewhere). The explanation for these are pretty simple, so that’s all for this section.

Now is when I step away from the TVTropes and towards my usual battery of character analysis tests. The Myers-Briggs Type Indicator, the related Keirsey-Bates Temperaments, Hogwarts Houses*, and D&D Alignment.

The Myers-Briggs Type Indicator

As I mentioned above in the Four-Temperament Ensemble, the Myers-Briggs Type Indicator is a set of four binaries which leads to a total of sixteen potential personality combinations. The binaries are: Extroversion vs Introversion, Sensing vs iNtuition, Thinking vs Feeling, and Judging vs Perceiving. It’s simple enough to apply the list of binaries to each character and figure out where on the spectrum they fall.

For Naruto there is no doubt he is an extrovert–especially in the technical sense of the word, in that he gains energy by being around large amounts of people. His enthusiasm and motivation is heavily dependent on others around him; even in canon, when he is alone, he turns quiet and pensive. While he does have some sensing tendencies–being a physical and hands-on learner–he is more intuitive. He’s known for solving problems in unusual ways, requires constant mental stimulation (either learning a new jutsu, playing a game, otherwise he’ll turn to pranking), and he’s a big picture/ideals kind of person.

For decision making, he’s unsurprisingly a feeler more than a thinker; and when it comes to interacting with the outside world he keeps his options open, preferring to react than plan everything out. 

tl;dr Naruto is E(N/s)FP

In contrast, Sasuke is very obviously introverted–and not because he’s an anti-social jerk, but because he honestly works better with less people and he only emotionally connects with a few special individuals. He relies heavily on his senses, what he’s experienced for himself, and what he can immediately and tangibly influence. He will take things at face value and, especially in canon, rarely looks beyond the surface of a situation.

As previously stated, he has an odd contradiction of being emotionally-driven but logically-acting–so when it comes to Thinking vs Feeling he’s a little of both. However, because he very rarely considers what other people are feeling, he is more Thinking in the Myers-Briggs definition. As previously stated, he’s very task-oriented and focuses more on work and his goals almost to the point of blocking everything else out–making him more of a judger than a perceiver. 

tl;dr Sasuke is IS(T/f)J

Shikako is an ambivert, that is, someone who is equally introverted and extroverted. Technically speaking, she is an introvert, in that she does get emotionally drained if she doesn’t have alone time of some sort to recharge herself. She doesn’t like people intruding into what she considers personal, but she does feel comfortable working in groups and collaborating and she has a wide range of friends–overall she’s slightly more introverted than extroverted. She is heavily intuitive when it comes to information processing–it could be argued that sort of knowing the future is cheating, but she uses that more as the bigger picture and only uses facts and figures to confirm as necessary.

In the Myers-Briggs definition, Shikako is more Thinking than Feeling, due to her practical and task-oriented nature. While she is adept at emotions, her own and others’, that in itself is more of a tool and definitely a lower priority than accomplishing her goals. Her judging vs perceiving type is slightly skewed when you consider, again, that she sort of knows the future. While on the outside it would seem like she’s a judger–making plans and working constantly to improve herself–she is more of a perceiver. Perceivers, as previously mentioned, do like to stay flexible and stay open to new information to better make decisions later. They work best with approaching deadlines and know to mix work and play so as not to burn themselves out–as someone who has lived her entire life as a series of incoming Big Bads–that she minimized her world changing, allowed herself a semblance of a childhood, and made sure to enjoy herself occasionally, shows how much more of a perceiver than a judger she is. 

tl;dr Shikako is (I/e=A)NTP

Having already gone through the binaries in detail, I don’t think I need to explain why Kakashi is an introvert, a sensor, and a thinker. He is very much so like Sasuke in that–unsurprising, considering how frequently parallels are drawn between the two especially by Kakashi himself. As for the perceiving vs judging, well, I do think he is inherently a perceiver (simply put, he would rather observe than act, respond than instigate) but his training as a shinobi (and as the jounin in charge of the team/ex-ANBU captain) he does have to be a judger sometimes. He has to make decisions and act on them quickly and stick to the mission parameters–all of the chaos in Team Seven’s missions is in spite of what Kakashi decides and tries to do. It’s a bit of a toss up, really.

tl;dr Kakashi is IST(P/j)

The Keirsey Temperaments (also here)

The Keirsey Temperaments are somewhat related to Myers-Briggs, in that it groups the sixteen M-B types into four temperaments as follows: _S_J’s are Guardians, _S_P’s are Artisans, _NF_’s are Idealists, and _NT_’s are Rationals. The temperaments are then split again twice until, essentially, every Myers-Briggs type has a fancy title. The breakdown of how the temperaments are formed is the Sensing vs iNtuition–or, as Keirsey puts it, Concrete vs Abstract. Then the Concrete are split into organized vs adaptable–with Guardians being the former and Artisans the latter; while the Abstract are split into compassionate vs objective–Idealists the former and Rationals the latter.

From the above Myers-Briggs types for each member of Team Seven, we get Naruto as an Idealist (specifically, the Champion), Sasuke as a Guardian (specifically, the Inspector… though he does match the Protector more, which makes sense since he was in the middle for the Thinking/feeling spectrum), Shikako as a Rational (specifically, the Architect), and Kakashi as an Artisan (specifically, the Crafter). [For the specific titles, you can check out the second link provided for Keirsey Temperaments above, they are listed on the top left].

Idealists focus mostly on their hopes and the possibilities for the future. They act in good conscience, and try to reach their goals without breaking their personal code of ethics.

Guardians focus mostly on their duties and responsibilities. They act for the best of what is theirs to take care of, and try to meet the expectations and standards of society.

Rationals focus mostly on their problems and coming up with solutions to them. They act pragmatically, achieving their objectives as efficiently as possible, even ignoring rules and others if need be.

Artisans focus mostly on what is present, what they can get and what they can do. They act however is needed in order to get a quick and effective payoff, even if they have to bend the law to do so.

That sounds about right for Naruto, Sasuke, Shikako, and Kakashi respectively, doesn’t it?

Hogwarts Houses (yeah, that’s right, I went there)

For some reason, Hogwarts House sorting is really subjective, so this more than any other section is my opinion. I don’t actually believe that every group of four must be sorted into each House, but if they had to then this is how I think it would go:

Naruto is the most Gryffindor that has ever Gryffindor-ed that I’m surprised he isn’t an actual lion. His courage, his idealism, his recklessness, even his prankster sensibilities? Total Gryffindor.

Shikako, especially after we’ve been so thoroughly reminded in Chapter 105, is Slytherin. A very conscientious one, but still Slytherin. She’s cunning, resourceful, pragmatic, and if you consider her ambition is to “survive Akatsuki and Pein and Madara” then, yes, she is very ambitious.

I personally have a soft spot for the rabid-badger Hufflepuff idea–that is, a Hufflepuff who isn’t a total pushover congenial, but is fiercely loyal and hard-working and determined to the point where it’s like having a rabid badger on a leash. And, well, DoS Sasuke really does fit the bill for that (not canon Sasuke–who has been so broken and twisted and consumed by anger and vengeance that he wouldn’t know loyalty if it wore bright orange and yelled about friendship in front of him). He is undeniably hard-working and determined, training just as hard as Naruto to become stronger, and he is so loyal to his team–jumping in front of Naruto during Wave arc, trusting what Shikako says even when she can’t tell him everything. (A moment of silence for pre-Curse Seal canon Sasuke, who could have and should have been like DoS Sasuke.)

Which leaves Kakashi with Ravenclaw. Not that I’m just assigning the leftovers for last, because I do actually think Kakashi fits Ravenclaw best. If not that, then probably also Hufflepuff, buuuut… well. Like I said, this section is presuming that a group of four must be sorted into each House. Anyway, he is intelligent, but he’s also… hm… not curious, necessarily, but he needs to know what is going on. It’s hard to tell from an outsider point of view since he is so seemingly apathetic, but that has more to do with him being able to observe while looking like he’s ignoring people. He’s known for having a ridiculous lexicon of jutsu and creating his own. Shikako is similar, but where she accumulates knowledge for power, he just knows stuff because it’s cool or interesting.

*(Sometimes I also do Avatar Elements–Air, Water, Earth, Fire–but I thought that would be a little confusing considering there are elemental affinities in the Naruto world. And, anyway, I usually do it as more of a “what if these character were in an Avatar AU fic” but since this is an analysis of characters already in a fic that would be too much)

D&D Alignment

This gives the least insight to their personalities, but it does help with behaviors so if you want to write recursive DoS fanfic this may help out. Mostly I just really find D&D Alignment fun to talk about.

D&D Alignment is a categorization of the ethical and moral perspectives of the characters. There are two axes which combine to create nine alignments in total. It looks like this:

Lawful Good             Neutral Good          Chaotic Good
                                             |
Lawful Neutral ——- True Neutral ——- Chaotic Neutral
                                             |
Lawful Evil                  Neutral Evil               Chaotic Evil

The X-axis is Lawful vs Chaotic, and the Y-axis is Good vs Evil. Self-explanatory.

Naruto is undoubtedly Chaotic Good–he doesn’t care for the system as it is now, it’s why he’s so effective as a Hero because he’s going to change the violent world of shinobi into something that can sustain peace. 

Shikako is Chaotic Neutral–well, she self-identifies as chaotic. Her lawful leaning is mostly because she knows if she steps too far out of line Danzo will be there–because while she does want to defeat the bad guys, that’s more of a side-effect of making sure everyone she cares about is strong enough to survive. The world saving is just a bonus to her.

Sasuke is True Neutral–like Shikako, his motivations are fairly self-serving but they’re not actively harming anyone who isn’t identified as evil. And while he’s way less chaotic than his teammates, he’s still a part of team trouble–rules are more like suggestions than orders.

Kakashi is Neutral Good, edging into True Neutral–at heart, he does want to do good but he doesn’t really know what that is except for “what would Obito/Minato-sensei/Rin/Kushina do?” (I’d rant more, but my Kakashi feels don’t belong in this post). As for lawful vs chaotic, well, it’s been repeatedly mentioned how his status as an elite jounin essentially makes him an exception to the rules. He could follow them–like, no doubt, the other jounin sensei do–but he doesn’t have to so he won’t.

A/N2: Aand that’s all, folks. You can tell I got kind of tired towards the end. If you got this far, then wow. Congrats. Hope you found this enjoyable and/or potentially useful. 

Cross-Post: Idea for a Believable “Rise of the Brave Tangled Dragons” Crossover (Part Three)

original here. dated 2013-01-26.

[A/N: Continuation of yesterday’s post– Idea for a Believable “Rise of the Brave Tangled Dragons” Crossover (Part Two). Which is combining the protagonists of Rise of the Guardians (Jack Frost), Brave (Merida Dunbroch), Tangled (Rapunzel… does she have a last name?), and How To Train Your Dragon (Hiccup Horrendous Haddock… the third?).

Basically, this is me analyzing the four protagonists via Hogwarts Houses and AtLA Elements. Actually… a lot of this was a consolidated cross-post from two separate tumblr posts I made earlier… uh. You can find one of them here, and there’s a link to the other one in that (it’s basically a Matroyshka doll of links and cross-posting… unintentional Rise of the Guardians reference, go me).

Also, I should reiterate that this was before I actually watched Rise of the Guardians though after I watched it I went back and reread this and was surprised by how well I did on Jack’s characterization… So… yeah.]

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[[okay, this should be the last part. mostly it’s about my feels/peeves on characterizations and character interactions]]

Part Three: Characterizations and Character Interactions

Since we love The Four because of their collective awesomeness and the potential transcendent friendship, we have to make sure to understand each personality fully and to make the relationships complex and deep. Increasing the number of characters makes writing exponentially harder, especially if we want each character to be realistically three dimensional: Not only do we have to worry about each individual’s personal development we have to consider each character’s relationship with the others and we would have to map out how characters interact with each other when other characters are present. To expound, that means we need to understand/outline the following:

1) Merida’s character
2) Hiccup’s character
3) Jack’s character
4) Rapunzel’s character
5) Merida and Hiccup’s relationship
6) Merida and Jack’s relationship
7) Merida and Rapunzel’s relationship
8) Hiccup and Jack’s relationship
9) Hiccup and Rapunzel’s relationship
10) Jack and Rapunzel’s relationship
11) Merida, Hiccup, and Jack’s interactions
12) Merida, Hiccup, and Rapunzel’s interactions
13) Merida, Jack, and Rapunzel’s interactions
14) Hiccup, Jack, and Rapunzel’s interactions
15) The Four’s interactions alone
16) The Four’s interactions around others

All in all that’s quite a lot to consider, even though we’ve bunched everyone who isn’t The Four into “others” and have Toothless and Pascal (and Angus) be extensions of their humans.

Below I’ve briefly written out my own thoughts–in agreement or disagreement to others’ theories I’ve seen– which is not to say I hold mine to be true (I’m actually quite easy to convince one way or another) since this is really the most subjective aspect of writing. Also, most of my thoughts below are just things that particularly stand out to me or, were I skilled enough to write it, things that I would use as a guiding light but not necessarily the map of a specific scene.

1-4) The Four’s individual characters–this is the foundation which the rest are built on. It may seem like the easiest part, since we have entire movies of proof (as opposed to the crossover interactions which are just theories) but often times we are misled. We are only shown limited examples of how our characters act in certain situations, we’re only given small snatches of their life, and so we must either extrapolate what the rest of their life must be like or fall back on the more obvious aspects of their personality.

For the sake of simplicity (and because I’ve seen several similar posts on tumblr), I’m going to use Hogwarts Houses and Avatar Elements to analyze the characters. I know these aren’t traditionally accepted character building/analyzing methods, but they both encompass other nuances of characterization that, for example, the Myers-Briggs test seems too binary and rigid to fully explore.

Most theories usually put each character in different Houses/Elements, which I think is actually true–though characters do share traits, it’s actually their differences which make the dynamic interesting–we want them to get along because of (or despite) their differences. However, I disagree with the some of the more popular assignments:

1) Merida Dunbroch

According to most posts, Merida is Gryffindor and Fire. I actually disagree with both of these. Yes, the title of her movie is Brave (which is a synonym for courage which is the main feature of Gryffindor) and in it she does take risky, almost reckless, actions. But I actually think she is more suited to Slytherin than Gryffindor–the Harry Potter novels don’t show the full depth of Slytherins because it is seen through Harry’s eyes (and he’s considerably biased against them) but they’re not all Draco and Snape and they can be the heroes as opposed to the villains or antiheroes at best.

Slytherin is defined by ambition and cunning; it’s not necessarily the ambition to be strong or in charge (Merida already is both) and cunning is not outrightly lying, political back-stabbing and double-agent nonsense. Literally the entire movie is about her wanting autonomy and doing whatever she can to achieve it–first she finds the loophole in the clans’ firstborn competition, then she persuades the reluctant witch into selling her a spell by buying all the woodcarvings, then she tricks her mother into eating a magical pastry to change, and finally she negotiates peace (and her right to choose her husband) amongst the clans by using their pride against them.

Further she’s considered Fire primarily because of her temper (and secondarily because her hair is such a lovely red, it’s difficult to not make her Fire), but the only reason why she’s angry in most of the movie is because she’s being forced to be a literal trophy wife. Even if I were to consider her Fire, I’d argue it should be because of her vitality and joy for life, but anyway Merida’s temper is a result of her stubbornness and much more in line with Earth than Fire.

If anything, Merida’s personality is an exact match for Toph who is basically Earth personified according to the Avatar: The Last Airbender episode Bitter Work. Further, her movie does have recurring themes and images of Earth–the first line is “our destiny is tied to the land,” bears, forests, the stone circle where the showdown is, and while will-o’-the-wisps look like blue fireballs they are more likely to be found in bogs, marshes, and graveyards and are considered earth spirits/fairies.

tldr: Merida is Slytherin and Earth.

2) Hiccup Horrendous Haddock

Hiccup is apparently more difficult to pin down, since different posts assign him different things. He’s usually a toss up between Hufflepuff and Ravenclaw and then generally Earth. From what I can tell, he’s usually Earth because it’s the one that’s left after the other three, though some is due to his (comparatively) steady nature and perhaps, shallowly, because his colours are green and brown.

However the key descriptions of Air benders–they’re pacifistic, non-confrontational, and open-minded, they go with the flow and only use their abilities in defence–sounds an awful lot like Hiccup. It also doesn’t hurt that if there were bending, Air would help an awful lot with being a dragon rider, and that his designs for Toothless’ prosthetic fin is similar to the Avatar: The Last Airbender’s air-gliders (though these are just fun things to point out, not actual reasons).

As for Hogwarts House, I can see why there is such an inconclusive draw between Ravenclaw and Hufflepuff because Hiccup does have several qualities from both: Ravenclaws are intelligent, curious, and creative while Hufflepuffs are hard-working, just, and devoted. Further, these are the two Houses which are less known in the novels (again due to “Harry vision” and he hardly interacted with people from either of these Houses), so it isn’t as clear where the divide is. While Gryffindor and Slytherin’s differences are often, and loudly, made clear, the traits of Ravenclaw and Hufflepuff are not necessarily opposites of each other. Because of this, we should then use which traits are more prevalent in Hiccup and which are more influential to his movie.

I argue that Hiccup is more Hufflepuff than Ravenclaw; a more elaborate list of traits says that Hufflepuffs are also determined, tenacious, loyal, genuine, well-rounded, fair, open-minded, giving, generous, accepting, compassionate, practical, patient, and dependable. Though his inventions are an important part of his movie and character, most of the movie explores Hiccup’s more Hufflepuff qualities–his loyalty to a village that is disappointed in him, his willingness to see the dragons as sentient beings and not just monsters to be destroyed, the trial-and-error (a lot of error) montage to get Toothless’ fin to work, and his dedication to ending the war between dragons and Vikings even when it costs him his chance to make his father proud. Also we can contrast him to Fishlegs who is a more obvious Ravenclaw.

tldr: Hiccup is Hufflepuff and Air.

3) Jack Frost

I must confess that I know the least about Jack. Luckily, the crossover happens before most of the events in Rise of the Guardians which means his personality in the movie is not necessarily the same as it was when he first was revived by the Man in the Moon. I’m not saying his entire character can be rewritten, because no–writing one of our major protagonists out of character would be foolish–but Jack’s personality analysis will be based on significantly less material than the others’ because we’re using his brief living memory and what we know of him directly after his revival.

Jack is generally classified as Slytherin and Water. Water is obvious considering he was revived by moon magic and he’s pretty much an actual Water bender with all the snow and ice powers, but while those are true it doesn’t give us insight into his character. Water is the element of change, generosity, adaptability, emotions, and turning defence into offence. Jack is the guardian of fun–it is literally his purpose in life (or… non-life) to bring joy to people, which he does by changing boring or dangerous situations into fun ones–the snow days to get kids out of school and when he was alive, saving his sister from the icy lake by turning it into a game. Jack’s generosity is also displayed in that scene, as he risks (and ultimately gives) his life for hers.

As for Slytherin? I don’t understand that one at all. I mean, yes, Jack is sarcastic, sneaky, and somewhat antisocial which the Slytherins from the Harry Potter novels also were, but those aren’t core values of Slytherins. If anything those are manifestations of his mischievous and rebellious nature–and which house had the largest population of pranksters? Gryffindor. Doesn’t Jack seem eerily similar to a young Sirius Black? Besides courage, which Jack has in spades, Gryffindor is defined by passion, playfulness, spontaneity, living in the moment, bluntness, confidence, commitment, recklessness, and self-sacrifice… which Jack also has in spades.

tldr: Jack is Gryffindor and Water.

4) Rapunzel

I usually see Rapunzel assigned to Air because Air is the element of freedom and the movie is ultimately about her gaining her freedom from Mother Gothel. However, she didn’t really want to be free of Mother Gothel (though, yes, that’s probably because of Stockholm’s Syndrome and thus her feelings are rather skewed) she just wanted to see the lanterns. It is entirely possible that, had Mother Gothel brought her to see the lanterns, Rapunzel would have been satisfied and gone back to the tower with little complaint. Even when she was negotiating with Eugene, Rapunzel added the condition of him escorting her back to the tower.

While freedom was a very nice bonus in achieving her actual goal, it’s still ultimately just a byproduct of defying Mother Gothel to see the lanterns. Furthermore, if she really wanted freedom, Rapunzel would not have been so quick to reunite with her biological parents or get married to Eugene (which, essentially, anchors her to Corona).

I argue that Rapunzel is Fire. For the most part, the Fire benders we see in Avatar: The Last Airbender, are the results of decades of using rage and hate as the source of their power, so angry aggression has become the stereotype of Fire. However in the episode The Firebending Masters, we learn that when “properly controlled, Fire is life and industry, comfort and creativity;” just look at Uncle Iroh and his priorities. Even trapped in her tower, Rapunzel embodies all of these aspects in her opening montage. Her daily activities are productive and artistic, and, as I’ve stated earlier, if I were to have Merida be Fire it would be because of her vitality and joy for life which Rapunzel shows more of.

Furthermore, what figuratively fuels Fire bending is one’s drive–the overall motivation in life, or, in other words, one’s dream. Tangled is about Rapunzel flourishing as a person because she finally decides to follow her dream, and the ending of her reuniting with her biological parents and marrying Eugene is more about the comfort of family which and directly opposes the freedom of exploring the wider world beyond the Kingdom of Corona. Fire also works quite neatly with the fact that Rapunzel’s magical abilities are from the sun.

As for Hogwarts House, Rapunzel is Ravenclaw and not just because it was the only one left. Ravenclaws are intelligent, logical, absent-minded, curious, creative, self-entertaining, and interested in understanding and learning about things. While she does also fit the bookish stereotype of Ravenclaws, she is a daydreamer just like Luna Lovegood, the most important Ravenclaw of the novels.

tldr: Rapunzel is Ravenclaw and Fire.

[[Okay, so… the characterizations were a lot longer than I thought, but that means it creates a much sturdier foundation for the actual relationships and interactions. So, yay! I’ll just… put character interactions in another post and call it Part Three and a Half]]