Random, not quite relevant thought – I really hope that Ino and Sai are still technically married and that he totally lives with her and Sakura as their house husband. Maybe he’s still in a relationship with Ino, but not Sakura which is why she did the Uchiha route? Or just really wanted to be there for his kid. But he totally retired from ninjadom for the higher calling of caring for children while indulging in art as a hobby.

Hm… personally for me, depending on how liberal Konoha’s legislation is on the matter of marriage, I’d like for Ino to be married to both Sai and Sakura. But if bigamy isn’t allowed (and I can understand why that wouldn’t be considering CLANS and INHERITANCE and… you know… that can be exploited horribly as it usually is in real life) then I think I’d prefer it if Ino and Sakura were the ones married.

Then again, Ino and Sai being married would be nice because Sai doesn’t really have a family and being married would mean that he’s now officially part of someone’s family. (I’m not crying, you’re crying). But than can also be achieved by Sakura and Sai getting married?

But, yeah, in their ménage à trois, it’s definitely Ino at the point of their V while Sakura and Sai’s relationship is nonsexual romantic or just plain platonic. They do like each other rather a lot, though, and DoS!Sakura is a lot more accepting(?) of Sai than canon!Sakura who saw him as a shoddy Sasuke replacement.

They all live together, along with Inojin and Sarada (and I just realized that in this universe, Sarada’s last name would probably be Haruno making her Spring Salad), and Sai definitely had to step up and take on most of the child-rearing duties especially since I also realize that in order for Sarada to be genetically-canon!Sarada, Ino and Sakura would have been pregnant at around the same time. So Sai would have had to deal with DOUBLE THE PREGNANT LADIES. But, luckily for him, he does honestly enjoy taking care of the kids.

I don’t think he’d fully retire from ninjadom–mostly because I don’t think that’s really possible in a Hidden Village–but he does definitely orient his missions/duties for, oh I dunno, maybe he becomes a teacher at the Academy (for the younger years) or he learns medic jutsu and works in the pediatric center of the hospital.

(Oh! Another thing I found from narutopedia: whenever Inojin plays roleplaying games he chooses White Mage who are literally medics so, you know, being son of three medics–one of whom is the successor of Legendary Medic Tsunade–is probably heaven for him)

He does also write/draw children’s books on the side, because if Jiraiya can write porn and be a spymaster, Sai can definitely be a father, an author, and a teacher/doctor.

How did Ino, Sai, and Sakura end up together? I’d say it probably went something like this:

“Beautiful,” the cute guy calls her, and Ino just barely controls her blush.

“Obviously,” she says, flipping her hair, “but you’ll have to try harder than that to impress me.”

The cute guy, Sai, nods as if noting it, all but writing it down. “Do you have any advice? A book, maybe?”

Ino smiles; how does Shikako find these guys?

“You should come by the flower shop,” Ino suggests, invites, beguiles, “I can teach you far better than any book can.”

Sai shows up at the flower shop the next day and maybe he didn’t really understand what she was offering, but it’s a nice enough conversation.

He actually listens to her, not just stares mutely and tunes her out. He asks follow up questions and by the time an hour has passed she’s discussing the pros and cons of various flower arranging styles as methods of poison dispersal to a boy who actually wants to know more.

She invites him to come back.

Maybe it didn’t turn out the way she wanted it to, but she finds she doesn’t mind at all.

And anyway, he still calls her beautiful.

Ino looks forward to the kunoichi meetings, tries to go to as many as she can–it’s good for networking and collaborating, true, but mostly she just misses it. Misses kunoichi classes at the Academy, and sleepovers at her house, and the way things were easier and brighter and happier then.

Ino knows she and Shikako have changed too much–seen to much and done too much–to ever really get that kind of innocence back. Not that theirs had been all that pure, honed and shaped the way all clan kids are from birth, but still.

Sakura still has it, that brightness that has nothing to do with the color of her hair and eyes. That core of strength and beauty that no poisonous flower arrangement could ever match.

Ino looks forward to the kunoichi meetings because, at the heart of it, she looks forward to seeing Sakura.

Things… happen.

No, that’s not right: Ino makes things happen.

She’s never been one for sitting back and pining–she’ll play things close to the chest like any proper Yamanaka, but she’s always been vocal about her likes and dislikes.

This time around, she gets liked back.

Once, Sakura visits her at the flower shop at the same time Sai is there for their meetings–Sakura is usually busy with shifts at the hospital and her lessons from Tsunade-sama, and Ino’s not entirely sure what Sai gets up to when he’s not at the flower shop or going on bizarre missions with Shikako.

Once is all it takes.

Sakura skirts around the counter, presses a kiss to Ino’s cheek in greeting, and for all that it’s chaste it makes her blush.

Sai tilts his head, observant as always.

Sakura nudges her in curiosity.

“Sakura, this is Sai, cute artist,” Ino introduces, “Sai, this is Sakura, amazing girlfriend.”

“It’s nice to meet you, Sai,” Sakura says with a sweet smile.

“It’s nice to meet you, too, Amazing Girlfriend,” Sai responds, a smile of his own, “I appreciate having a senpai in dating Ino. Please look after me,” he adds a polite bow, oblivious to the reactions he receives.

Sakura blinks in surprise. Mostly confused, but a little… considering.

Ino looks between the two of them and has a revelation.

aka, how Sai instigates a poly relationship without realizing it 😀

edit: adding this to ao3 Dreaming One Shots as “Take A Step That Is New”

Your writing for next gen sand sibs gave me so many feels; like the resentment they must all low-key feel for Shikadai, cause no matter how good they are, no matter that he’s from a foreign nation, no matter that they call the Kazekage father there will always be people who insist that Shikadai is the rightful heir by blood. On that note, I could see a lot of pressure for the Kazekage after one of the next gen sand sibs to marry a child of Shikadai, to restore the proper line in Suna.

jacksgreysays:

Next Gen Sand Siblings (NGSS from now on) are so much more compelling if you interpret them as adopted; either canon or DoS. There’s just something fascinating about the idea that the position of Kazekage is restricted to a clan and yet the oldest child of the previous Kazekage has married into a clan of a different village entirely. It’s all the fun of aristocratic inheritance/successions but with ninja!

As I touched on in Our Share of the World, it’s probably Shinki that has the most resentment for Shikadai and even his is kind of tempered by the knowledge that his biggest competition is his younger sister. Yodo, I think, probably just doesn’t like Shikadai as a person–his possible claim on the position of Kazekage has nothing to do with it. Araya and Shikadai are friendliest by default.

I feel like, considering the Council favors Yodo over Shinki (even though, as I mentioned, he’s the one with the blood limit) that they’re not too focused on the matter of blood lines at this point. Especially since Shikadai has been raised as a Leaf shinobi. Though probably, earlier on when he was just born or even a little before then, there were negotiations to decide on that exactly.

They probably conceded to Shikadai being raised Nara because they figured that either Gaara or Kankurou would have biological children eventually (hahahahahaha, nope) and then by the time they began worrying, Gaara began adopting the NGSS and then a whole other round of debates were instigated on whether or not they were valid candidates and, if so, which would be the better one.

I can see them possibly considering an arranged marriage another generation down the line or some kind of Kazekage clan repopulation thing like what’s going on with the Uchiha repopulation in Walking Around (Like Regular People). But I also feel like, given the trend towards more liberal stances of marriages and families and that Temari has already no doubt flouted the Council’s authority and married Shikamaru despite their likely protests, an arranged marriage won’t hold up unless the NGSS that becomes Kazekage is just like, yeah okay why not.

(You may want to check out this post thread speculating how various Kages may be chosen in the Elemental Nations, which started with me wondering about Shikadai’s possible claim to the Kazekage position. This was before I discovered the NGSS existed, of course, but still relevant.)

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Yeah, Suna’s Council from what I understand are the stereotypical old men grouching at things they shouldn’t have any influence on. Unlike Konoha’s Council who were three old (evil) badasses who lived to see that age, Suna’s Council is probably mostly civilians.

I can actually see maybe one of the NGSS going for an arranged marriage–but with A LOT of veto power in the process. Like, they get to screen through who, they get to meet the other person multiple times, it’s a long engagement etc. etc. and at each stage either party can veto the arrangement. Like, arranged marriage isn’t always bad so long as those who are going to get married have power and aren’t just shoved together.

I can see either Yodo or Araya accepting such an arrangement, especially if they’re anywhere on the aro spectrum and don’t mind having a life partner so long as said partner understands and accepts that they’re aro. (Shinki for some reason I’m pretty sure is not aro. I don’t know why, I headcanon him as the kind of person who just falls in love–not frequently, but easily? If that makes any sense)

Your writing for next gen sand sibs gave me so many feels; like the resentment they must all low-key feel for Shikadai, cause no matter how good they are, no matter that he’s from a foreign nation, no matter that they call the Kazekage father there will always be people who insist that Shikadai is the rightful heir by blood. On that note, I could see a lot of pressure for the Kazekage after one of the next gen sand sibs to marry a child of Shikadai, to restore the proper line in Suna.

Next Gen Sand Siblings (NGSS from now on) are so much more compelling if you interpret them as adopted; either canon or DoS. There’s just something fascinating about the idea that the position of Kazekage is restricted to a clan and yet the oldest child of the previous Kazekage has married into a clan of a different village entirely. It’s all the fun of aristocratic inheritance/successions but with ninja!

As I touched on in Our Share of the World, it’s probably Shinki that has the most resentment for Shikadai and even his is kind of tempered by the knowledge that his biggest competition is his younger sister. Yodo, I think, probably just doesn’t like Shikadai as a person–his possible claim on the position of Kazekage has nothing to do with it. Araya and Shikadai are friendliest by default.

I feel like, considering the Council favors Yodo over Shinki (even though, as I mentioned, he’s the one with the blood limit) that they’re not too focused on the matter of blood lines at this point. Especially since Shikadai has been raised as a Leaf shinobi. Though probably, earlier on when he was just born or even a little before then, there were negotiations to decide on that exactly.

They probably conceded to Shikadai being raised Nara because they figured that either Gaara or Kankurou would have biological children eventually (hahahahahaha, nope) and then by the time they began worrying, Gaara began adopting the NGSS and then a whole other round of debates were instigated on whether or not they were valid candidates and, if so, which would be the better one.

I can see them possibly considering an arranged marriage another generation down the line or some kind of Kazekage clan repopulation thing like what’s going on with the Uchiha repopulation in Walking Around (Like Regular People). But I also feel like, given the trend towards more liberal stances of marriages and families and that Temari has already no doubt flouted the Council’s authority and married Shikamaru despite their likely protests, an arranged marriage won’t hold up unless the NGSS that becomes Kazekage is just like, yeah okay why not.

(You may want to check out this post thread speculating how various Kages may be chosen in the Elemental Nations, which started with me wondering about Shikadai’s possible claim to the Kazekage position. This was before I discovered the NGSS existed, of course, but still relevant.)

Mangekyo no Sakako being able to influence/talk to the dead she sees. Mangekyo no Sakako setting ameratsu on people’s SHADOWS and burning them spiritually. Mangekyo no Sakako using sealing techniques with her scary af Susanoo. I just need some Mangekyo no Sakako. That’s all.

jacksgreysays:

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(I don’t know if you’re the same anon, but since it’s regarding Sakako, I figured I might as well reblog it in this thread.)

Reincarnated!Sakako… hm… do you mean reincarnated from the real world or reincarnated from the Naruto world? Because on the one hand, I’ve always been interested in a SI!OC who has to deal with the repercussions of a previous SI!OC making changes in the world–what knowledge has been rendered useless, what information is still valid, etc–and the idea of Shikako finally having company in her biggest secret is nice, though probably a bit weird considering it’s her daughter. 

But then again, the idea of some canon character reincarnating as Sakako would be pretty interesting considering her now more and more likely power to see ghosts. Like… which canon character? Will they see the ghosts of people they knew in life? Is she confused as to why she’s not a ghost still? Is she a Warring Clans period Senju reincarnated as this new Uchiha clan heiress?

Buuuuut… I think her being able to see ghosts is already a big enough impetus for her own story that her being reincarnated would either overrun the ghost seeing or just might as well be redundant as an isolating trait. Like she’s already a newblood (term borrowed from Effloresco Secundus, a Hermione-reincarnated-as-Sakura!fic) in the fact that she’s the first of her ability to see ghosts so she’s not normal in the Naruto world (which is in and of itself overrun with weird abilities) she doesn’t need yet another layer of rarity.

… I’m going to have to write a Sakako ficlet now, aren’t I? (aaaaaaaah! i just made her up so Shikadai could have five cousins!)

edit: I wrote it. Well, I didn’t get up to her Mangekyo status, but it’s a Sakako ficlet so…

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Well, all of this generation are powerhouse children, but Sakako is probably the most frightening. Pure terror status not just “powerful and thus scary to fight,” but like: 

jacksgreysays:

Oh gosh, Mangekyo no Sakako would be frightening.

I kind of have an idea for what her “default Sharingan” skills are and I’ll probably write something with her so she gets her own ficlet (though a lot shorter, probably). But I did not consider a Nara mutated Mangekyo O_O

Tsukuyomi = target can now see all of the people they’ve killed/haunts them. Sakako let’s the ghosts get revenge. I’m definitely liking your Amaterasu of burning people’s shadows (that’s pretty in line with both of her parents’ “when in doubt blow it up/burn it)

Susanoo just seems to be fairly straightforward as a personalized massive chakra construct. I don’t know how a Nara/Shikako weirdness inheritance would change that much. I mean, I guess she could reinforce it somehow with seals or her Susanoo looks creepily a lot like the Shinigami?

~Mangekyo no Sakako~ 😀

When it’s late at night and you hear a noise and the wind rustles the branches of the trees.

You know better than to light a campfire, but a part of you wishes you had now. But maybe that would be worse–you near the fire as something moves in the darkness out of your line of sight. No fire means no shadows, right? You’re safer this way.

But another breeze catches you off guard, kicks up dust and fallen leaves, and you reflexively shut your eyes. That is your second mistake tonight.

You open your eyes and for a moment you think you see eyes in the trees–red and horrible and all seeing–but that’s gone as soon as you blink. You almost miss them, though because now there’s the shape of a man in front of you. Translucent and glowing and impossibly familiar because you know this man. You killed this man.

No, you think, backing away, forgetting your training, stumbling away in front of forces you cannot understand.

No, you scream, as the ghost descends, ready and eager to get its revenge.

In the treetops, a little girl waits as her enemy falls to the ground, clawing at his own face. Soon enough his cries stop, and she waits before approaching him, secure in the knowledge that he’s truly incapacitated.

She never even touched him.

edit: added as omake to the Walking Around (Like Regular People) ao3 chapter

(Not a prompt) I always imagine Shikako getting really tall in her late teens. It’s something about Shikabane-hime easily meeting you in the eye or staring down at you, exuding this strong and powerful aura, or being that pillar of strength and will, or something. (It’s also because I read somewhere that George Washington was described as powerful and scary-looking since he was really tall, and it matched the kind of person he was. Then I thought of Shikako earning the same reputation in battle)

jacksgreysays:

Hehehehe, that would be pretty amazing, anon! Especially if she grows to be taller than her teammates and brother (maybe even taller than the other Konoha Twelve?).

She’d probably be more of the Kakashi kind tall, though, you know like lanky and bean-pole-ish. She’d probably adopt his lazy slouchy stance just to put up with suddenly being so much taller than the people she used to cuddle into for safety (I mean, lazy slouchy stances are practically Nara currency, but she’d probably emanate a distinct Hatake flare to hers :P).

Though with her greatcoat she probably has quite the intimidating silhouette more along the lines of Ibiki’s… until she takes it off and then it turns out she’s just suuuper lanky with a lot of scrolls and armor underneath her coat.

I feel like it’d be funniest if she’s taller than Naruto and Sasuke–definitely one at least–and so she and Kakashi just kinda tease them about it even though the height difference is only like… two inches at most. “Do you need help reaching things from the top shelf?” “Oh, do you need help getting down from that tree?” etc etc

Ino and her mother despair because it’s even more difficult to get her to dress up now that most women’s yukata/kimono are made for people shorter than her.

Mangekyo no Sakako being able to influence/talk to the dead she sees. Mangekyo no Sakako setting ameratsu on people’s SHADOWS and burning them spiritually. Mangekyo no Sakako using sealing techniques with her scary af Susanoo. I just need some Mangekyo no Sakako. That’s all.

jacksgreysays:

Oh gosh, Mangekyo no Sakako would be frightening.

I kind of have an idea for what her “default Sharingan” skills are and I’ll probably write something with her so she gets her own ficlet (though a lot shorter, probably). But I did not consider a Nara mutated Mangekyo O_O

Tsukuyomi = target can now see all of the people they’ve killed/haunts them. Sakako let’s the ghosts get revenge. I’m definitely liking your Amaterasu of burning people’s shadows (that’s pretty in line with both of her parents’ “when in doubt blow it up/burn it)

Susanoo just seems to be fairly straightforward as a personalized massive chakra construct. I don’t know how a Nara/Shikako weirdness inheritance would change that much. I mean, I guess she could reinforce it somehow with seals or her Susanoo looks creepily a lot like the Shinigami?

~Mangekyo no Sakako~ 😀

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(I don’t know if you’re the same anon, but since it’s regarding Sakako, I figured I might as well reblog it in this thread.)

Reincarnated!Sakako… hm… do you mean reincarnated from the real world or reincarnated from the Naruto world? Because on the one hand, I’ve always been interested in a SI!OC who has to deal with the repercussions of a previous SI!OC making changes in the world–what knowledge has been rendered useless, what information is still valid, etc–and the idea of Shikako finally having company in her biggest secret is nice, though probably a bit weird considering it’s her daughter. 

But then again, the idea of some canon character reincarnating as Sakako would be pretty interesting considering her now more and more likely power to see ghosts. Like… which canon character? Will they see the ghosts of people they knew in life? Is she confused as to why she’s not a ghost still? Is she a Warring Clans period Senju reincarnated as this new Uchiha clan heiress?

Buuuuut… I think her being able to see ghosts is already a big enough impetus for her own story that her being reincarnated would either overrun the ghost seeing or just might as well be redundant as an isolating trait. Like she’s already a newblood (term borrowed from Effloresco Secundus, a Hermione-reincarnated-as-Sakura!fic) in the fact that she’s the first of her ability to see ghosts so she’s not normal in the Naruto world (which is in and of itself overrun with weird abilities) she doesn’t need yet another layer of rarity.

… I’m going to have to write a Sakako ficlet now, aren’t I? (aaaaaaaah! i just made her up so Shikadai could have five cousins!)

edit: I wrote it. Well, I didn’t get up to her Mangekyo status, but it’s a Sakako ficlet so…

I guess I can see how the Cousins Shikadai could have au can all fit together. Like, Shikako as a (frequent) ambassador to Suna becoming a pseudo aunt to the adopted sand sibs. With the Uchiha reintroducing program, she took a torture jutsu for him, so why not? Then of course, big cousin Kareru.

Well, in Our Share of the World I kinda wrote with Shikako as mother to all of them (biological only for Sakako)–when Yodo says “Mother said most Nara were lazy, but this is pushing it, don’t you think?” she’s referring to Shikako–and the prompt was specifying Shikaara kids. But if you want to interpret it as platonic child raising (like how Team Seven is with Kareru) then that’s cool, too.

Mangekyo no Sakako being able to influence/talk to the dead she sees. Mangekyo no Sakako setting ameratsu on people’s SHADOWS and burning them spiritually. Mangekyo no Sakako using sealing techniques with her scary af Susanoo. I just need some Mangekyo no Sakako. That’s all.

Oh gosh, Mangekyo no Sakako would be frightening.

I kind of have an idea for what her “default Sharingan” skills are and I’ll probably write something with her so she gets her own ficlet (though a lot shorter, probably). But I did not consider a Nara mutated Mangekyo O_O

Tsukuyomi = target can now see all of the people they’ve killed/haunts them. Sakako let’s the ghosts get revenge. I’m definitely liking your Amaterasu of burning people’s shadows (that’s pretty in line with both of her parents’ “when in doubt blow it up/burn it)

Susanoo just seems to be fairly straightforward as a personalized massive chakra construct. I don’t know how a Nara/Shikako weirdness inheritance would change that much. I mean, I guess she could reinforce it somehow with seals or her Susanoo looks creepily a lot like the Shinigami?

~Mangekyo no Sakako~ 😀

(Not a prompt) I always imagine Shikako getting really tall in her late teens. It’s something about Shikabane-hime easily meeting you in the eye or staring down at you, exuding this strong and powerful aura, or being that pillar of strength and will, or something. (It’s also because I read somewhere that George Washington was described as powerful and scary-looking since he was really tall, and it matched the kind of person he was. Then I thought of Shikako earning the same reputation in battle)

Hehehehe, that would be pretty amazing, anon! Especially if she grows to be taller than her teammates and brother (maybe even taller than the other Konoha Twelve?).

She’d probably be more of the Kakashi kind tall, though, you know like lanky and bean-pole-ish. She’d probably adopt his lazy slouchy stance just to put up with suddenly being so much taller than the people she used to cuddle into for safety (I mean, lazy slouchy stances are practically Nara currency, but she’d probably emanate a distinct Hatake flare to hers :P).

Though with her greatcoat she probably has quite the intimidating silhouette more along the lines of Ibiki’s… until she takes it off and then it turns out she’s just suuuper lanky with a lot of scrolls and armor underneath her coat.

Instead of clouds, Sakako watches the void between stars. I mean, with the cosmic implications of Falling into the Black and the incredible perceptions of the Sharingan, and all… (really liked the cousins chapter, though my first thought was that Sakura and Sasuke had still ended up together, and named their kid after Shikako. Instead of after Salad.)

jacksgreysays:

That’s so–HEAD CANON ACCEPTED!

“By the time the light from some stars gets here, they are already dead. For those stars, we see only their ghosts. We see their light, but their bodies perished long, long ago.” – William Herschel

All starlight is from millennia and eons long past. If her version of the Sharingan–warped by the Nara’s penchant for the shadows–can actually see ghosts, then she probably finds stargazing comforting. Everyone can see these ghosts, she is not alone in this.

(I actually wasn’t sure whether or not Sarada should exist as well but considering Shikako has displaced Sakura on Team Seven, there wouldn’t even be that smidgeon of a relationship between Sakura and Sasuke that would lead to canon Sarada.

I mean, unless there’s some kind of Uchiha repopulation program going on and Sakura volunteers because she wants a child but understands that it’s not a romantic entanglement with Sasuke? So Sarada might still exist somehow… or a Sakura-Sasuke child named Sarada, not specifically the canon iteration of Sarada.

But DoS Sakura is a lot different than canon Sakura, she’ll probably find and fall in love with someone else entirely and, if she wants, start a family with them instead of having a platonic child with her childhood crush.)

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I think Karin died in canon DoS? Because Sasuke didn’t leave the group in the Forest of Death and save her? At least, from what I remember and according to the TVTropes page (in the Death by Adaptation section). So that scenario can’t really happen in this possible DoS future, but it’s fantastic to think of it happening in canon.

Depending on how public reputation is for the Uchiha after the whole Obito/Madara disaster, Konoha might not want to repopulate the Uchiha clan.

Then again, power. And seeing as how Sasuke isn’t a renegade walking disaster contributing to the poor reputation of the Uchiha in DoS maybe they’ll want to do it?

But would Sasuke want to? Like, after he’s found out everything about his clan… then again, it’s been his second life long goal since he was seven so…

Uh, but yes. If there is an Uchiha repopulation program and Sakura participates, it would definitely be interesting if canon Sarada existed. Her entire backstory would be different, though, but I’ve always been fond of the idea of an Uchiha medic nin (because the Sharingan would be soooooo helpful for healing).

She, like Sakura, will probably still be replaced on Team Seven by Sakako because more prestigious parentage and all, but she might very well have her own genin team anyway? Because… like… is there no Inuzuka in this particular generation? What about Aburame? Does Boruto have the Byakugan? Does he have a cousin via Hanabi? What’s going on there?

Or maybe next gen Team Medic? Maybe Hana has a kid who is also an Inuzuka specializing in medicine? Chiyako is their jounin-sensei?🤷 ¯_(ツ)_/¯

I just had a horrible thought: There might be a kind of horrific battle for the inheritance thing going on, though, if Sasuke doesn’t specify who is his heir. (There might still be a horrific battle for the inheritance thing going on anyway, with the specified heir being at risk for assassinations) Not that Sakura and Shikako would participate in that kind of thing–but who knows about the other volunteers?

Alternatively! Ino and Sakura end up together; Sai is the sperm donor for Inojin, Sasuke is the sperm donor for Sarada. Meaning Sarada and Inojin are siblings even though they aren’t genetically related, making this generation’s network of family relations EVEN MORE convoluted. (Poor Kareru, it’s so hard to keep track of which of his little cousins aren’t related to his other little cousins).

edit: check out Walking Around (Like Regular People) for more Sakako Uchiha (and confirming the last paragraph for this particular universe)